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[Albion] Perspective



Eeyore

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Forgive me for starting a thread about it, but I have worries of an emerging entitlement among some of our supporters. It seems to be creeping in, and it is a worry when you consider all we have been through to get to this point. The one thing I’ve rarely found among our supporters is ‘entitlement’. It’s something I expect, perhaps, to see among big six plastics. But not us. Then again, perhaps it is less entitlement and more unrealistic expectations. Or perhaps both.

Some say the squad does not have enough depth. This is a statement without context. By which standard are we measuring depth ? At present we are 8th in one of the top leagues in the world, but running one of the lowest budgets in that league. The depth of the squad should, in theory, reflect the budget. So by such a standard we are succeeding. But it would seem that the question of depth therefore defaults to comparison with the clubs above. All of those clubs have considerably more resources than us, Villa being the anomaly, perhaps, but they have spent hugely- something Albion are sensibly uninclined to do. Albion don’t do that because they look at the future as well as the present.

So some might then suggest a ceiling has been hit. In some senses it has. There are seven/eight clubs in this league that we will never match. A couple more that also have more muscle. But with clever planning and wise recruiting we may be able to do some damage. When Tony Bloom said the goal was to develop a top ten Premier League team he did so because he believed it was achievable. Even that might seem a bit fantastic as it meant outwitting teams such as Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Leicester City. Yet Albion have done it-again.

So not qualifying for Europe, IF that was an outcome (and we are still in a strong position there) would not mean the season ending in disaster. It would mean the season ending with some disappointment, perhaps. But what a thing to feel disappointment for.

Just 15 years ago we were fighting relegation to the fourth division, now we are nervous that we might miss out on Europe. It’s a wonderful time to be an Albion fan. All this, to be truly enjoyed, needs perspective. Right now Leeds United, Everton, Southampton and Leicester City are fighting relegation. 15 years ago we wouldn’t have seen that pitted against our current position.

My boss is a Leeds United fan, Yorkshire born and bred. we frequently talk football and they constantly wow over happenings at Brighton. It seems that sometimes it takes them to remind me how far Albion have come rather than some of my fellow fans.

So when we lose 3-1 after a jaded performance at a club who were once European giants and somehow spent twenty years in the wilderness, we should remember that they are fighting to hold a position we have already established and remind ourselves how we have ‘never had it so good’. There’s nothing wrong with a bit of disappointment, but everything that has happened to our club in the last 15 years, and what many of us fought for in the bad old days, has still come to fruition regardless. Think of that and any disappointment will soon be gone.

Perspective.
 
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dwayne

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Agreed perspective is good. But stating that the squad ain't even close to European standard is not entitlement it's probably more just fact.

We have overachieved this season as we've had long breaks between games. Now we have to catch those games up in a short space of time we are finding a more suitable epl level unfortunately and that's hard to take after what's come before.
 
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Eeyore

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Agreed perspective is good. But stating that the squad ain't even close to European standard is not entitlement it's probably more just fact.

We have overachieved this season as we've had long breaks between games. Now we have to catch those games up we are finding a more suitable epl level unfortunately and that's hard to take after what's come before.
I think we are close to European standard. In fact, looking at the performances of some clubs at home and abroad in Europe I think we would do well with what we have.

The problem we have is qualifying. We are pitted against large budgets and large squads.

Next year I think this problem will worsen for us. As Chelsea come back from their nightmare. But it's what we signed up to when we entered this league and nothing much can change for us. We just have to continue being clever.
 


Uh_huh_him

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I don't think it's entitlement to be disappointed that a season that promised so much, is in danger of fizzling out.
Fans are emotionally immature creatures. Football makes us like that. I wouldn't read to much into the outbursts of a football fan.

We want to believe our heroes can overcome insurmountable obstacles.
And we have a tendency to overreact when they turn out to be human beings after all.

it's the hope.... don't you know.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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No one is feeling entitled. Disappointed to see a cup final vanish and the dream of European football slip slightly further away yes, but entitled no.
 


Eeyore

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Excellent. Another where we we x years ago thread. Isn’t it time to realise that we are past that now.
No, it's time to realise that the next step is not a step we can make financially. There are seven mega clubs in this league now:

Manchester City
Arsenal
Manchester United
Tottenham Hotspur
Chelsea
Newcastle United
Liverpool

We will not make a step into that group on any permanent basis. But, by being clever, we can cause them problems. And we are being clever. Like this season (which is still presenting an opportunity)
 


Eeyore

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I don't think it's entitlement to be disappointed that a season that promised so much, is in danger of fizzling out.
Fans are emotionally immature creatures. Football makes us like that. I wouldn't read to much into the outbursts of a football fan.

We want to believe our heroes can overcome insurmountable obstacles.
And we have a tendency to overreact when they turn out to be human beings after all.

it's the hope.... don't you know.
That's what I'm saying. Nothing wrong with disappointment.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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No, it's time to realise that the next step is not a step we can make financially. There are seven mega clubs in this league now:


We will not make a step into that group on any permanent basis. But, by being clever, we can cause them problems. And we are being clever. Like this season (which is still presenting an opportunity)
Has anyone suggested this? You're making some very odd points.
 
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BadFish

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Excellent. Another where we we x years ago thread. Isn’t it time to realise that we are past that now.
To be fair the main point of the OP is about where we are at now, uses a bit of history to put it into context but I read it more as our hunt for Europe is overachieving in terms of where we are currently at. Which is hard to argue with.

I am not sure it is entitlement but there does seem to be a fair over reaction to the forest result (and Mustafa's somewhat pessimistic thread) on here. I would call it getting carried away with our form rather than entitlement myself, but it is there.

Maybe some perspective is useful at this point.
 






Eeyore

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Has anyone suggested this? You're making some very odd points.
No, I've not seen that. It is merely an observation to explain the giddy heights we have achieved.
 


hart's shirt

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No entitlement here.

We don't have a divine right for European football next season.

But I still reckon that we're good enough to get it. And I think we will.

A win on Saturday at home and all will be back on track once again.
 


Bozza

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I get where the OP is coming from as there does seem to be a whiff of we should be beating #TeamsLikeForest in the air from some quarters. Not most, but there's a little bit here and there.

But largely, yes, there's a fair bit of disappointment out there, which I'm certainly feeling right now. Turns out five days is a long time in football - it feels like it could all come crumbling down now, but the good news is we have three home games on the bounce to get things back on track.

(And although we have no divine right to beat Forest, despite being below par we still did enough to win that game 7 times out of 10. Spurning golden chances came back to bite us on the arse once again. We should be used to that right now.)
 




Eeyore

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No entitlement here.

We don't have a divine right for European football next season.

But I still reckon that we're good enough to get it. And I think we will.

A win on Saturday at home and all will be back on track once again.
I'm beginning to see it, but what I have written is a reflection of an increasing group of supporters who think where we are is a norm that we should be breaking.

I would suggest that the majority of supporters are still pretty grounded.
 


Weststander

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Agree with the overall sentiment.

Entitlement, or thrashing around looking for people to blame in the club, because we lost a pen shootout to cheats and a fresh Forest team beat us at their place.

We’re a lower budget team punching well above our weight, it’s inevitable that over 38 games we’ll lose a load.
 


Berty23

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isn’t this the kind of attitude that RDZ wants us to lose? Think of ourselves as better.

I would argue that none of our starting line up would look out of place for anyone but arsenal and city this season. And many of our team would look fine for city too.

We have caicedo and Alexis Mac who could easily be the centre midfield pairing for any side in the world and not make them weaker. Are Rodri and Gundogan better? Partey and Xhaka? I would not say so.

Dunk is a brilliant centre back.

Mitoma would grace any team. His stats are better than Jack Grealish this season aren’t they?

I only see two starting elevens better than ours and that is definitely city and possibly arsenal. With a few decisions a bounces of ball going our way we could easily be top 4 at the moment. Our issue is that we have a small squad. But could arsenal cope with losing as many players as we have out?
 


hart's shirt

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I'll go with the perspective part - plenty of us remember where we were back in the 90s.

At the risk of semantics, it's probably now more expectation than entitlement for most.

Forest hadn't won any of their previous 11 league games before this evening.

Based on that, I didn't expect them to beat us. And based on the stats, they probably didn't expect to either.

Iron out those mistakes and finish off those chances on Saturday and normal service will be resumed.
 




kuzushi

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Obviously it was annoying to lose tonight. Perspective-wise, if we win our games in hand we will still go up to 5th in the table, above Spurs and Liverpool, despite tonight's defeat.
 




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