dadams2k11
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They have played the game and understand football better than some trained up chimps that are self indulgent messing up football.
I say Yes.
I say Yes.
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[Football] Should Ex Players/Managers be running VAR?
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Deleted member 37369
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I don't think this naturally follows. You already have differing views on incidents by pundits when watching Sky/BT/MOTD etc.
Anyone should have been able to see the decisions that should have been made on Saturday ... which is why I think the club is right to ask for answers.
Anyone should have been able to see the decisions that should have been made on Saturday ... which is why I think the club is right to ask for answers.
HastingsSeagull
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Tricky for them to be unbiased. But much harder to put them in a situation where they’ll be accused of that.
Deadly Danson
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No, they generally haven't got a clue about the laws and aren't trained. I would give the job to experts like Jamie O'Hara and Graham Souness.
Super Steve Earle
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Some footballers sound less intelligent than chimps when they open their mouths, trained up or not.
What a god awful idea.
If you think there is club bias already why would you want this
If you think there is club bias already why would you want this
Deleted member 37369
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I don't get the often trotted out 'that would have been a soft pen' or similar. Sometimes said when there's been a shirt pull, for example. Just because a shirt pull (or holding in general) isn't going to break someone's legs, doesn't mean it's not an infringement. It means the defending team are seeking to gain an advantage through an act which is against the rules. If it happens inside the penalty area, it's a penalty.
Was it the World Cup in Russia that we started to see more pens given for these offences as the officials were instructed to clamp down on these actions. And guess what ... defenders stopped doing it! Just like the time wasting at the Qatar World Cup.
I hate the snide actions players mostly seem to be able to get away with as much as dangerous tackles. Make all teams/players aware at the start of the season that time wasting, shirt pulling etc etc won't be tolerated and that teams will be penalised if they don't head the warnings they've been given.
Of course, this still needs the officials and VAR to implement the rules correctly and consistently!! OK, forget what I've just written
Was it the World Cup in Russia that we started to see more pens given for these offences as the officials were instructed to clamp down on these actions. And guess what ... defenders stopped doing it! Just like the time wasting at the Qatar World Cup.
I hate the snide actions players mostly seem to be able to get away with as much as dangerous tackles. Make all teams/players aware at the start of the season that time wasting, shirt pulling etc etc won't be tolerated and that teams will be penalised if they don't head the warnings they've been given.
Of course, this still needs the officials and VAR to implement the rules correctly and consistently!! OK, forget what I've just written
Neville's Breakfast
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Have you ever listened to ex player football pundits ? Most of them don’t know the rules and base most of what they think and say on what was the case when they were playing. They also tend to have views based upon who is or is not their mate and what their own style of play and position was. An even thicker bunch of people than your average group of football fans
(honourable exceptions being Neville and Carragher who have better things to do than run VAR).So, no !
GT49er
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Running it - no - but involved at Stockwell Park? Yes, maybe replacing the assistant VAR.
GT49er
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.....and you seriously think that referees at Stockwell Park don't have their mates?Have you ever listened to ex player football pundits ? Most of them don’t know the rules and base most of what they think and say on what was the case when they were playing. They also tend to have views based upon who is or is not their mate and what their own style of play and position was. An even thicker bunch of people than your average group of football fans
So, no !
Billy the Fish
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This is easily overcome. Give them sufficient training and don't appoint loud mouth thickos like O'Hara!
Just because some high profile pundits have been proven to not understand the rules isn't a reason this wouldn't work. It's their job to say controversial things and play devil's advocate.
There must be ex-pros out there who are capable of reffing impartially.
Deadly Danson
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Then they can just train to be refs surely?
Thunder Bolt
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My grandson would be the first to apply. He’s not enjoying his computer course at Newcastle Uni.Time to set up a degree course in operating VAR at Oxford and Cambridge Universities and get some highly intelligent nerdy geeks, with no real interest in football running it. Pay them a fortune for doing it too. Sorted
Edit to add, he enjoys football too much.
Somebody mentioned rugby referees on another thread. Give them a course on all the rules at the FA.
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beorhthelm
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the problem with VAR is officials misjudgment, applying rules inconsistently, subjectively or missing events. i dont see how an ex-pro player will get these right necessarily. better training, post game review is needed to improve the standard.
Gary Neville, Jason Cundy, Trevor Sinclair, Danny Mills, Darren Ambrose.
They’re never biased, they don’t hate other clubs.
I said 'not sure'.
They would be able to contribute to discussions about intent. On they other hand I would expect them to lie. The likes of Jenas (fairly recently retired) is always going on about football being a contact sport. At best, an assault is deemed 'a little bit naughty'. Get anyone older in and they will be telling us it's a man's game and that black players have flair but are unsuited to defending or positions of responsibility (oh, how I loved the 1980s. And 1990s. Not.).
But the ex player pundits don't seem to know the laws of the game, judging by the egregious falsehoods some of them trot out.
Should the police force be run by *former criminals? Perhaps some may be able to offer some useful consultancy, but putting them in charge? On balance I think I should have voted no.
But it doesn't matter their background if properly trained. Perhaps a better quuestion might be should more ex players be recruited to be trained as referees. The massive pay differential suggests we'd end up with only former league 2 players opting for this.
*As opposed to the present situation where many involved appear to be current criminals.
They would be able to contribute to discussions about intent. On they other hand I would expect them to lie. The likes of Jenas (fairly recently retired) is always going on about football being a contact sport. At best, an assault is deemed 'a little bit naughty'. Get anyone older in and they will be telling us it's a man's game and that black players have flair but are unsuited to defending or positions of responsibility (oh, how I loved the 1980s. And 1990s. Not.).
But the ex player pundits don't seem to know the laws of the game, judging by the egregious falsehoods some of them trot out.
Should the police force be run by *former criminals? Perhaps some may be able to offer some useful consultancy, but putting them in charge? On balance I think I should have voted no.
But it doesn't matter their background if properly trained. Perhaps a better quuestion might be should more ex players be recruited to be trained as referees. The massive pay differential suggests we'd end up with only former league 2 players opting for this.
*As opposed to the present situation where many involved appear to be current criminals.