None really, you could technically argue that Andy Cole went from League One to PL level in a season, but he switched to the second tier halfway through the season and moved to the side he helped promote. So really his journey was Academy -> League One -> Championship -> Premier League (in today's terms).
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[Albion] Julio Enciso - Paraguay’s new wonder kid (Signed 17/06/2022)
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GT49er
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No idea. The point is that they all cut their teeth in lower leagues. Some make it, many don't. Some U18 team players make it, many don't. Some loans work, some don't.
Fortunately the management at the club will know better than any of us whether loaning out Enciso is the way to go or not - and even then, it's possible they will get it wrong (which, IMHO, they did with Connolly); that's football!
GT49er
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This is getting very silly nit-picky now. Jamie Vardy didn't play in the third tier, it's true - it was his 31 goals in 36 games in the Conference got him his big break, but no, he didn't actually play in the third tier.
I'm out of here ................................ 
Pavilionaire
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I think that the right thing to do with Enciso, Sarmiento, Buonanotte is to keep them in Brighton and let them develop together.
It is a big ask for a kid to be able to adjust to life elsewhere with another side, travel halfway across the world to play for his country AND maintain links with his parent club. Moreover with 5 subs I think they will get game time, especially now we've lost Trossard, Mwepu and possibly Lallana.
It is a big ask for a kid to be able to adjust to life elsewhere with another side, travel halfway across the world to play for his country AND maintain links with his parent club. Moreover with 5 subs I think they will get game time, especially now we've lost Trossard, Mwepu and possibly Lallana.
Let's Have A Winner!
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seems to me the South American kids absolutely love being together and Julio seems to be the joker of the pack, it seems a really happy camp and I would be wary of disrupting that by loaning any of them out. Enciso seems absolutely desperate to score, I would have loved it had that shot gone in on Saturday we would have seen some great scenes I'm sure!
Post of the year. 100% correct in every assertion. Cant wait for the scenes when then the inevitable happens in the next few weeks and Enciso scores a crackerjack at the Amex.
Personally think he’s a long way from being ready to start premier league matches and actually needs a loan to get good game time to develop. A lot of skill but seems to currently lack football intelligence which is ok for a 15 minute end of game cameo but a long way from being trusted for a whole game.
The main point behind going on loan is getting 90 minutes per week, not 10-15 minutes.
One of the main ways pretty much all footballers improve is by getting match experience.
L1 is a step too low imo .he’s beyond that.
How about enciso on loan to a decent championship team who really want him , or an eredivisie club . Or any club of your choice for a loan . How would you feel About that ?
Loaning players out isn't always the golden path. Sometimes it can be good (Ben White), sometimes it can be bad (James Wilson).
You have clubs like City basically deciding that if a player is not good enough for the first team by 21 they're not going to make it. Rico Lewis, Phil Foden and Cole Palmer have never had to go out on loan and you wouldn't say any of those players have lost out on that basis.
I obviously see the benefits of using the loan system to help develop players who aren't going to get experience in/train with the first team but think that if a player is around the peripheries of a starting XI (which Enciso is) perhaps his development is better served by staying. He's clearly part of our first team squad and getting minutes despite his age, and our manager clearly really likes him. Why would you want to send him to play in the Championship and put that good platform at risk?
Good post tbf. In enciso’s case the benefit could be knocking off his rough edges on someone else’s time and money.
The reality is Brighton have improved . The bar is higher . The bar is mitoma, macallister , Caicedo etc .
It’s a good debate imo although I have every faith the club knows what it’s doing with these calls (that hasn’t always been the case ).
albionalex
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You can tell he's desperate to score and maybe sometimes shoots when he should pass, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
I agree with some other posters that he is too lightweight at the moment. There was one particular moment against Stoke where there player swatted him away like a fly. But to be fair, it was literally a man against a boy.
Whether he will bulk up a bit via the weight room or just his body changing a little as he ages, I think playing week in and week out next season would be good for him .
I agree with some other posters that he is too lightweight at the moment. There was one particular moment against Stoke where there player swatted him away like a fly. But to be fair, it was literally a man against a boy.
Whether he will bulk up a bit via the weight room or just his body changing a little as he ages, I think playing week in and week out next season would be good for him .
- May 8, 2018
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Sent him out to Watford for a season, will be great for him it get at least 3 variations of coaching style whilst adapting to the English game
- May 8, 2018
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This, he seems to have an exceptional bond with the group and sending him out alone would affect him negatively (I say without knowing him!) That’s the perception I get anyway
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Yes we are all just guessing from the outside looking in!
It's a tricky one, I agree with others that he's not ready to be starting games but I think he definitely has something about him and the areas where he perhaps falls a bit short can be worked on, such as decision making and physique. If he's happy with the 15 minute cameos then he's at a great place to learn all that stuff, and if he could get that first goal then perhaps he will then naturally settle a bit and make better decisions anyway? I think he has an infectious personality and is good to have around the place so is already adding something without too many minutes on the pitch.
If he pushes for a loan himself in the summer then sure, give him the opportunity. Who knows what will happen?! Anyway, I trust the club to do the right thing...
Wardy's twin
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I understand that but its depends on what you are trying to develop. Some people seem to think Connolly going out on loan would have improved his attitude (his football was ok). Not all young players need a loan e.g. Ferguson is 9 months younger and doesn't need a loan . What Enciso needs is to convert a couple of chances and he will be flying he doesn't need to get his arse kicked by a non-PL opposition every week. One of our brightest prospects a few years ago was Forster-Caskey , he looked great in some cameo games , went on loan and came back poor (not helped by coming back to a poor team).
Wardy's twin
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To be fair there were a number of our players eased out of the way by fired up Stoke players and that included Dunk.
GT49er
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It's all about opinions, innit! Some may cry 'What would he gain/learn/benefit from knocking in a lot of goals at a lower level?' My answer would be 'Quite a lot!' A year of playing 'grown up' football, in the EFL could have him coming back to us tougher, stronger and wiser. Others may disagree - their view is no more - or less - valid than mine. The people running the club know better than us NSC armchair experts anyway. Thankfully! - and hopefully - they'll get it right.
Better than they did for Connolly ....................... whether loaning him out at the right time would have had a better outcome, nobody knows - but not loaning him out earlier has certainly, and very obviously, not turned out for the best. That's why he's up for sale, in the shop window, up at Hull now.
Machiavelli
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Good post. Two things on Enciso:
-- a poster a while back noted his shooting ability which, for me, is what makes him stand out
-- whether he stays next season or goes out on loan will be influenced by whether we have European football or not. We'll need a deeper squad if we do
I think it would’ve improved Connolly as a footballer.
He is a little one-dimensional, and needed to learn not to go to ground quite so easily looking for non-existent fouls.
In my opinion his career would definitely have been improved by spending a season or two down in the Champ playing and scoring regularly, and I said this at the time, so no after-timing here.