[Football] Potter [NOT] at Chelsea

Swansman said:

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

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PILTDOWN MAN said:

No need to compare, we are a better team now, better position with games in hand. playing better football, don't give a flying f*** about stats I see with my eyes when at the games.

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Swansman said:

That is a good take on life. If you look at the same thing with a positive mindset, you'll enjoy it more than if you look at the same thing with a negative mindset.

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Swansman said:

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

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Green Cross Code Man said:

But the post is wholly positive about where we are now. The past doesn't change according to our perception however how we experience the present is down to our mindset at the time. Why shouldn't he think that where we are now is better?

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Swansman said:

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

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Swansman said:

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

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Guinness Boy said:

Tremendous amount of spin in that post. But then what do you get if you cross Potter with his Swedish fanboy? Graham Swann.

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

But we have improved, there is no doubt about that. It's up to RDZ to keep that improvement going now.

Last season we were 9th after 22 games

9

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

6

12

4

23

23

0

30

This season we are 8th and have games in hand over most of the teams around us

8

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

10

5

7

39

29

10

35

We've scored a massive 16 more goal, yes we've let in more as well, but we've been taking more risks and not wanted to settle for a draw.

Your point about the two Leicester games has no baring on how much we have or haven't improved either, football is not about just one result or we could point out that Potter couldn't beat Chelsea in 6 attempts yet De Zerbi managed it first time.

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Codner's Wallop said:

2-0 Spurs.

Looks grim for Potter. In true Potter style, he will no doubt already be looking for others to blame….

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Swansman said:

If the team has improved compared to at this point last season... yes. Was the case with Graham, is also the case with Roberto. The improvement from RDZ to GP? Could you do a table for GPs final 16-17 games and RDZs first 16-17 games? Surely is the fairest comparison given the similarities of squads etc?

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Guinness Boy said:

But equally, Potter now has a “better” squad according to the measure many on here use - cost of squad. And is doing FAR worse

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Swansman said:

If the team has improved compared to at this point last season... yes. Was the case with Graham, is also the case with Roberto. The improvement from RDZ to GP? Could you do a table for GPs final 16-17 games and RDZs first 16-17 games? Surely is the fairest comparison given the similarities of squads etc?

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

It isn't a far comparsion though is it. Because Potters final 16-17 games come after over 3 years of building the squad and working with those players. For De Zerbi it's a new job and a getting to know you process for everyone, him, his coaching staff, our players. It doesn't prove anything at all.

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Swansman said:

He should absolutely. Everyone should. Always.

It is the right way of watching things. But for those of us who are more technically minded than emotionally minded, it just becomes a bit mind-boggling at times.

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:

It isn't a far comparsion though is it. Because Potters final 16-17 games come after over 3 years of building the squad and working with those players. For De Zerbi it's a new job and a getting to know you process for everyone, him, his coaching staff, our players. It doesn't prove anything at all.

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