[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

chickens · Feb 8, 2023

beorhthelm said:
depends if that group is growing or shrinking. these are people that think they are being ignored, they dont like focus on other areas. even though things may be net worse for them, and they aren't traditional Conservatives, might vote that way because someone is speaking for them.

talking to @chickens point, ignoring the bigots probably lost Brown an election and certainly has changed voting patterns the past decade. better to change their minds, not tell them they are wrong.

I think the sector of the voting public that is bright enough to change its vote according to what’s best for the country has seen what populism and encouraging bigotry has done to Britain. Going by the traditionally Conservative voters among my family group (not representative, I know) two will vote Conservative regardless, but the rest are quite horrified by what the Conservative Party has become and are split pretty equally between not voting and Starmer.

As Jeremy Corbyn proved so well, it’s not about playing well to the home crowd, it’s about bringing in the undecided. By doubling down on dog whistle politics the Conservatives are playing to their local Conservative Clubs, not providing a vision that most of the country desires or endorses. The election could prove me wrong, but to my mind the path that the Conservatives have chosen is a cul de sac.

Randy McNob · Feb 8, 2023

beorhthelm said:
agree, though they're well into a ideological and identity crisis. where i depart, i'm not convinced they'll lose all those voters back to Labour, lot more open especially if economy doesn't go as badly as expected.

It highlights how undemocratic the UK system is, we are crying out for a general election as we have a government no one wants, a prime minister who wasn't even voted for by it's own party, but because they cling onto the previous election parliament majority, the opposition would not be able to win a vote in parliament (to demand a general election). They have effectively stolen the conservative support base and turned into a UKIP government. The irony is it all stemmed from Brexit where the mantra was about our own democracy and accountability

Thunder Bolt · Feb 8, 2023

Even the Hastings and Rye Conservative Association have had enough of Sally Ann Hart.

https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/politics/it-was-unexpected-hastings-and-rye-mp-sally-ann-hart-confirms-deselection-4017003

Thunder Bolt · Feb 8, 2023

Randy McNob said:
It highlights how undemocratic the UK system is, we are crying out for a general election as we have a government no one wants, a prime minister who wasn't even voted for by it's own party, but because they cling onto the previous election parliament majority, the opposition would not be able to win a vote in parliament (to demand a general election). They have effectively stolen the conservative support base and turned into a UKIP government. The irony is it all stemmed from Brexit where the mantra was about our own democracy and accountability

They have even been trying to wrestle sovereignty away from Parliament to the government, which is dangerous.

Thunder Bolt · Feb 8, 2023

clapham_gull said:
Which is a game of diminishing returns that will become apparent at the next election.

I really don't understand the strategy of this party unless they are looking at the election after next.

nicko31 · Feb 8, 2023

Thunder Bolt said:

6 housing ministers in a year
4 home secs in a year
9 Tory party chairman in 5 years
6 health secs in 5 years
10 education secs in 10 years

Little wonder the country is on fire

Paulie Gualtieri · Feb 8, 2023

nicko31 said:
6 housing ministers in a year
4 home secs in a year
9 Tory party chairman in 5 years
6 health secs in 5 years
10 education secs in 10 years

Little wonder the country is on fire

Think they need to have a word with Tone on succession planning

The Clamp · Feb 8, 2023

nicko31 said:
6 housing ministers in a year
4 home secs in a year
9 Tory party chairman in 5 years
6 health secs in 5 years
10 education secs in 10 years

Little wonder the country is on fire

3 PM’s in one year.

Brovion · Feb 8, 2023

nicko31 said:
6 housing ministers in a year
4 home secs in a year
9 Tory party chairman in 5 years
6 health secs in 5 years
10 education secs in 10 years

Little wonder the country is on fire

Makes Watford FC look like a model of stability.

LennyTee · Feb 8, 2023

Nobby said:
I've read this three times and no, haven't got there yet.
Sorry

I can type it again but can't make you understand it.
Basically get off your arse and protest while you can, rather than back slapping each other on here and piling on people with different opinions.
We are in this shit together. Far left, centre left, centre right, far right. It's f***ing us all.
Still, it's easier to have a pop at someone with a different opinion on a football forum.
Sleepwalking!

LennyTee · Feb 8, 2023

Randy McNob said:
It highlights how undemocratic the UK system is, we are crying out for a general election as we have a government no one wants, a prime minister who wasn't even voted for by it's own party, but because they cling onto the previous election parliament majority, the opposition would not be able to win a vote in parliament (to demand a general election). They have effectively stolen the conservative support base and turned into a UKIP government. The irony is it all stemmed from Brexit where the mantra was about our own democracy and accountability

I hope that is typed from your phone outside Parliament or Downing Street while protesting.
Sadly I am guessing not.
If you are fair play.

nicko31 · Feb 8, 2023

Brovion said:
Makes Watford FC look like a model of stability.

Closest assimilation to the Tory party is probably "Massive", they think they're really good but they're soon be yesterdays news...

Thunder Bolt · Feb 8, 2023

Raab doesn't look happy at Sunak talking to Starmer in Westminster Hall today

Randy McNob · Feb 8, 2023

LennyTee said:
I hope that is typed from your phone outside Parliament or Downing Street while protesting.
Sadly I am guessing not.
If you are fair play.

There's no protest organised for today

Nobby · Feb 8, 2023

LennyTee said:
I can type it again but can't make you understand it.
Basically get off your arse and protest while you can, rather than back slapping each other on here and piling on people with different opinions.
We are in this shit together. Far left, centre left, centre right, far right. It's f***ing us all.
Still, it's easier to have a pop at someone with a different opinion on a football forum.
Sleepwalking!

You definitely can't make me understand it

Anyway, thanks for clarifying

We are all in this sh*t together, agreed.
But, by the way, I don't think its the centre left or far left that are F***ing us all. They haven't been anywhere near power for 12 long years!!
That's not to say they might F**k it up in the future, but all I know is that they didn't F**k it up the last time they were in power.
Maybe it's time we gave them a chance to not F**k it up. They can't F**k it up as much as the current F**kers. Who have F**cked it up good and F**cking proper.
And, I'm all for protesting against the c*nts that have ruined our country.

. They're called the right and the far right plus a c*nt called Johnson, who has no scruples so no one knows if he was F**king far right, F**cking centre right or just ordinary F**cking right. But one things for certain, he is a c*nt.
So hey, maybe we don't have a different opinion.

Barnet Seagull · Feb 8, 2023

The Clamp · Feb 8, 2023

LennyTee said:
I can type it again but can't make you understand it.
Basically get off your arse and protest while you can, rather than back slapping each other on here and piling on people with different opinions.
We are in this shit together. Far left, centre left, centre right, far right. It's f***ing us all.
Still, it's easier to have a pop at someone with a different opinion on a football forum.
Sleepwalking!

“having a different opinion” is not a get out of jail card for holding poorly informed, ignorant views.

You can moan all day about it, I’ll be giving no quarter to morons.

LennyTee · Feb 8, 2023

Nobby said:
You definitely can't make me understand it
Anyway, thanks for clarifying
We are all in this sh*t together, agreed.
But, by the way, I don't think its the centre left or far left that are F***ing us all. They haven't been anywhere near power for 12 long years!!
That's not to say they might F**k it up in the future, but all I know is that they didn't F**k it up the last time they were in power.
Maybe it's time we gave them a chance to not F**k it up. They can't F**k it up as much as the current F**kers. Who have F**cked it up good and F**cking proper.
And, I'm all for protesting against the c*nts that have ruined our country.. They're called the right and the far right plus a c*nt called Johnson, who has no scruples so no one knows if he was F**king far right, F**cking centre right or just ordinary F**cking right. But one things for certain, he is a c*nt.
So hey, maybe we don't have a different opinion.

Obviously reading isn't your strong point sunshine.
Don't just see who is posting but f***ing read it.
We are all f***ed but people like you are making it left v right.

The Clamp · Feb 8, 2023

LennyTee said:
I hope that is typed from your phone outside Parliament or Downing Street while protesting.
Sadly I am guessing not.
If you are fair play.

Why are you obsessed with people protesting outside Downing St?

I would hazard a guess it’s so you don’t have to actually counter someone’s argument with intelligent debate.

It seems you hold the view that if one doesn’t protest in person, then anything one posts on here is invalid.

Please see my previous post.

Bodian · Feb 8, 2023

Boris Johnson nears £5m in earnings since leaving office

It comes after the former PM's latest declaration of a £2.5m advance payment for speaking events.

www.bbc.co.uk

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