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[Football] Has Nathan Bitten Off More Than He Can Chew? - Sacked 12/02/2023



Weststander

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Cowfold Seagull said:
Indeed, but l don't think his religion has too much to do with it. I've a feeling he has always lived his life that way, long before he turned to God.
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I’m an atheist, but I respect your beliefs.

I’ve known neighbours or colleagues who were part of the Kings Church network. Kind, generous, truly happy folk. Some found the church when in adversity.

It’s a million miles away from the Born Again Christianity of right or alt-right Trump fanboys in the US.

Let’s tolerate all (legal and non-racist) beliefs in this country.
 




Horses Arse

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rippleman said:
But religion has most certainly NOT evolved in the slightest and shows no inclination to do so as it continues to treat the LGBTQ+ community as unimportant and not worthy of the same treatment as straight Christians. The bishops won't even allow the general Synod to vote on the issue of allowing gay marriage.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sandi Toksvig: I can't let the Church of England hurt LGBT people

Church of England synod will vote on plans to allow blessings, but not marriage, for gay couples.
www.bbc.co.uk

#comeoutforlove (unless you are a CofE bishop of course)
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Totally agree and I'm very anti religion for these and many other reasons - mostly due to the folk that use it to legitimise being complete scum bags. But also because it is clearly facical as presented/taught - no different to being told to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. Why do so many think it acceptable to teach our children such things to our kids as fact, I find it astonishing that it is still allowed.

However, I think people turn to religion as a means of recognising that there is so much more to life, to us, and that we don't have the answers to everything. Science answers so many of the questions but not what was there before, is this really it etc etc. There's certainly a place and need for that sort of introspection and spiritulism - but God/Jesus, book of old thoughts that can be used to hate/kill/rape/pillage etc isn't it as far as I'm concerned. We're in an age where we make allowances for those beyond the male/female gender yet simultaneously are supposed to be guided by archaic, vague, ridiculous teachings. Bloody weird.

Anyway, Nathan Jones............. I like Wales and the Welsh, he's much more of a grumpy Yorkshireman I think, would have suited him much more. I know what I like and I like what I say etc etc. The big question here is why didn't God make him a Yorkshireman. Though he does work in mysterious ways. Maybe Nathan is God, trying to test us? To see if we follow. i'm going to have a quick lie down whilst I ponder it all.
 


Cowfold Seagull

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Weststander said:
I’m an atheist, but I respect your beliefs.

I’ve known neighbours or colleagues who were part of the Kings Church network. Kind, generous, truly happy folk. Some found the church when in adversity.

It’s a million miles away from the Born Again Christianity of right or alt-right Trump fanboys in the US.

Let’s tolerate all (legal and non-racist) beliefs in this country.
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Well said.
 




Cowfold Seagull

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This is the key piece for me, and maybe what sets you apart. I am not religious but I have no issue at all with those who are. There's something reassuring about having a moral code defined in a structure that provides comfort and guidance through one's life.

Where I do take issue is when those beliefs are used not only to guide your life, but imposed on others because they have a different set of beliefs.

Anyway, Jones is toast... Fans don't like him, players probably don't now either and when you're coating off your own fans and players, the end is surely nigh
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It certainly will be when little ol' Grimsby from League 2 knock them out of the FA Cup at home in the next round.

lt's gonna happen you mark my words!
 






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Out of curiosity, and in no way is this supposed to be having a dig, why do you feel the need to tell people you are a "born again" Christian, rather than just a "Christian"?
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It's an important classification.

The term 'born again' is a reference to one of Christ's sayings in the gospel. It refers to Christians who believe in Christ and that salvation comes from here.

Many folk call themselves Christians and are not. This being because they don't really have genuine faith. In the 2021 census 46,2% of the population identified as Christian. But applying the true meaning of the term the number of actual Christians would be a small fraction of that.

The simple question to ask is- Do you believe that Christ existed, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again, and is your salvation ? If the answer is not 'yes' to all that then you are not a Christian. If a person believes that they can still be a Christian otherwise then to be a Christian has no meaning and Christ would therefore have died in vain.

The problem comes with cultural identity, thus it is hijacked by the 'religious' right. We are not a Christian country. Christians do not rule countries. They belong to another kingdom. The term 'Christian Country' is a veil for 'White Anglo Saxon' and anyone else who aligns with cultural similarities.

It's a hard truth to digest for some. But it's what scripture says. And if we saw it this way we would see clearer how religion is mainly cultural politics in action. But for some, like @Cowfold Seagull it is faith, and it is real. It's not a race for political supremacy. Such believers are 'born again'. All else is just the games humans play when forming their tribes.

When John Wesley stood in fields in 1700s preaching the gospel his biggest enemies came from within the church. They didn't want the gospel preached in its purist form because folk would realise how they had been duped into servitude of their overlords by the corruption of scripture. Not a lot has changed in many ways. We see it in America. Trump's presidency a very telling example.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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warmleyseagull said:
This thread seems to have wandered somewhat off piste, which I guess is a parody of what NJ has done.
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Far more interesting than NJ’s nonsense though.
 




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Brighton Lines said:
It's an important classification.

The term 'born again' is a reference to one of Christ's sayings in the gospel. It refers to Christians who believe in Christ and that salvation comes from here.

Many folk call themselves Christians and are not. This being because they don't really have genuine faith. In the 2021 census 46,2% of the population identified as Christian. But applying the true meaning of the term the number of actual Christians would be a small fraction of that.

The simple question to ask is- Do you believe that Christ existed, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again, and is your salvation ? If the answer is not 'yes' to all that then you are not a Christian. If a person believes that they can still be a Christian otherwise then to be a Christian has no meaning and Christ would therefore have died in vain.

The problem comes with cultural identity, thus it is hijacked by the 'religious' right. We are not a Christian country. Christians do not rule countries. They belong to another kingdom. The term 'Christian Country' is a veil for 'White Anglo Saxon' and anyone else who aligns with cultural similarities.

It's a hard truth to digest for some. But it's what scripture says. And if we saw it this way we would see clearer how religion is mainly cultural politics in action. But for some, like @Cowfold Seagull it is faith, and it is real. It's not a race for political supremacy. Such believers are 'born again'. All else is just the games humans play when forming their tribes.

When John Wesley stood in fields in 1700s preaching the gospel his biggest enemies came from within the church. They didn't want the gospel preached in its purist form because folk would realise how they had been duped into servitude of their overlords by the corruption of scripture. Not a lot has changed in many ways. We see it in America. Trump's presidency a very telling example.
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I find it extremely worrying that anyone genuinely believes that Christ existed, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again, and is their salvation.

On another thread right now people are aghast at weird conspiracy theories being spread concerning the poor women that's disappeared yet the above may actually be believed by some and defended! It's farcical when you step back and think about it.
 


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Horses Arse said:
I find it extremely worrying that anyone genuinely believes that Christ existed, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again, and is their salvation.
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A Cambridge Uni educated skiing companion believes in Boris Johnson. I know what I find more worrying.

PS his status in relation to me is under consideration hence he’s currently referred to as “skiing companion” :smile:
 
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Horses Arse said:
I find it extremely worrying that anyone genuinely believes that Christ existed, born of a virgin, crucified, rose again, and is their salvation.
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I find it more worrying that people believe the planet is only 3000 years old or whatever and refuse to believe the evidence of life from millions of years ago which is pretty much indisputable. There are plenty of religious nutters who don't want dinosaurs taught in schools, for example.
 


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Simster said:
I find it more worrying that people believe the planet is only 3000 years old or whatever and refuse to believe the evidence of life from millions of years ago which is pretty much indisputable. There are plenty of religious nutters who don't want dinosaurs taught in schools, for example.
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I agree with them. Think of the disruption, eating children, roaring during carpet time, shitting on the carpet, not putting their hands/paws/claws up. Would be a disaster.
 




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Herr Tubthumper said:
But this can be aimed at most things in life. In fact, you have just described politics and social media….and veganism.
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Veganism is simply an idea to do as little harm as possible to animals and the planet.

Vegans want others to go vegan, not for themselves or to save the other from damnation, but for the sake of animals and the planet.

It's a pretty huge distinction.
 






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Simster said:
I find it more worrying that people believe the planet is only 3000 years old or whatever and refuse to believe the evidence of life from millions of years ago which is pretty much indisputable. There are plenty of religious nutters who don't want dinosaurs taught in schools, for example.
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Because a T-Rex can't hold a pen?
 








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