[Albion] People’s experiences with enhanced DBS checks ….

The Seagull · Feb 5, 2023

Currently looking at getting a new job (working with the elderly) and they will be doing an enhanced DBS check. I have 2 that could show. One when I was 19 and another at 30, I’m now 48. They’re not serious convictions but I’ve noted that there could be a filtering system on convictions past a certain date if they are deemed not serious enough.

I’m going to apply for an ‘acro’ but in the meantime do you think I should tell the employer ? What if it doesn’t show up on my record.

Anybody had experience with this.

Justice · Feb 5, 2023

Convictions or cautions? I know cautions get erased over time.

beorhthelm · Feb 5, 2023

mrs beorhthelm does them all the time, enhanced DBS will look at and report everything back to 18. upto the employer to judge what is relevent.

herecomesaregular · Feb 5, 2023

I'm a bit out of date .... (edited see post#10).

And saying that we employed (mental health, vulnerable clients both young and old) many staff with quite a long list of convictions. They had to be discussed with the individual and then any employment offer senior staff had to approve it after reviewing the dbs and discussing with us.

Also we didn't see the dbs at shortlisting stage only if shortlisted and before interview and then discussed at interview. Personally, i would declare at application stage, which should be asked, rather than wait.

Chicken Run · Feb 5, 2023

The Seagull said:
Currently looking at getting a new job (working with the elderly) and they will be doing an enhanced DBS check. I have 2 that could show. One when I was 19 and another at 30, I’m now 48. They’re not serious convictions but I’ve noted that there could be a filtering system on convictions past a certain date if they are deemed not serious enough.

I’m going to apply for an ‘acro’ but in the meantime do you think I should tell the employer ? What if it doesn’t show up on my record.

Anybody had experience with this.

I have to have an enhanced DBS done every six months and when I had the the first one done 3 years ago I was horrified to see a drunk and disorderly court appearance still on the from 1988, I should say the officer inspecting took a view that I might have grown up a little since then

Btw fine was £250

in 1988,

The Seagull · Feb 5, 2023

Justice said:
Convictions or cautions? I know cautions get erased over time.

Convictions.

herecomesaregular · Feb 5, 2023

The Seagull said:
Convictions.

I had many an awkard conversation with interviewee but we didn't feel awkward about discussing it, it's a fact of life (especially when young and stupid) and you'd be surprised how many people have something on their dbs. Just be prepared to talk openly about it and your learning from it and don't be put off applying to work with vulnerable people (unless you are a pervert, crook or dickhead of course).

edited - see post #10

Acker79 · Feb 5, 2023

In my line of work, having something on the DBS isn't an automatic strike - almost every incident I'm aware of has been dealt with by a simple risk assessment being put in place. Most of the time problems arise, it's because the applicant didn't disclose anything on their application form, which speaks to their character.

Paulie Gualtieri · Feb 5, 2023

The Seagull said:
Currently looking at getting a new job (working with the elderly) and they will be doing an enhanced DBS check. I have 2 that could show. One when I was 19 and another at 30, I’m now 48. They’re not serious convictions but I’ve noted that there could be a filtering system on convictions past a certain date if they are deemed not serious enough.

I’m going to apply for an ‘acro’ but in the meantime do you think I should tell the employer ? What if it doesn’t show up on my record.

Anybody had experience with this.

I work in financial crime so have a relatively broad understanding.

Without going into detail on here it would be worth googling spent convictions and also the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974.

The majority of convictions would have been spent now based on time served so wouldn’t be disclosable.

Can’t really say much more and wouldn’t expect you to post the details here.

Hopefully this helps

herecomesaregular · Feb 5, 2023

Paulie Gualtieri said:
I work in financial crime so have a relatively broad understanding.

Without going into detail on here it would be worth googling spent convictions and also the rehabilitation of offenders act 1974.

The majority of convictions would have been spent now based on time served so wouldn’t be disclosable.

Can’t really say much more and wouldn’t expect you to post the details here.

Hopefully this helps

edited-

Seems there was a change in Nov 2020, in relation to the multiple conviction rule re filtering:

DBS filtering guide

www.gov.uk

The Seagull · Feb 5, 2023

I found this online. Not sure if it’s true or not. Quite a lot of differing opinions on the internet.

Paulie Gualtieri · Feb 5, 2023

herecomesaregular said:
Only likely to happen if a single conviction. When there is more than one then they always stay on (my understanding and experience anyway).

As I understand it, there’s no totting up and each conviction is rehabilitated and spent (unless for fraud, sexual related or a custodial sentence exceeds four years, then typically these are never spent)

Breakdown here

Rehabilitation Periods

A table of rehabilitation periods for the most common sentences and disposals, and example scenarios.

www.gov.uk

GoingUp · Feb 5, 2023

I believe a normal DBS is 10 years but enhanced is viewable for life. It's been a bit of an issue for me over the years too.

Thankfully most sensible employers tend make an assessment when they meet you rather than go off a bit of writing on paper (providing it's nothing too serious that is).

CaergybiGull · Feb 5, 2023

Always disclose, you have to let the employer decide. Especially in an environment with vulnerable people.

If you disclose and they say ‘no’, well, that’s life, suck it up. If you disclose and they say ‘yes’, all good.

Algernon · Feb 5, 2023

Please excuse me for tagging onto this thread but I'm looking to start a job where I'll have to go through the enhanced DBS procedure.
The form asks for all previous employment and education etc.
I'm 57 years old and I'm sure I won't be able to fully recall my previous employment or education, or home addresses.
I lived in Germany for 6 years when I was a kid. My total schooling = 3 primary schools, 4 secondary schools, BCT, and I've moved around England for work so I must've lived at 20 different addresses, maybe more.
When I was younger I was in and out of jobs regularly and to date I can think of at least 13 different employers. The one I've been with for this last two years have employed me on an ad-hoc basis issuing me with a contract then terminating it as each period of work came to an end so there will be periods of unemployment showing.
I have no convictions other than minor driving offences and no cautions.

How does everyone recall and retrieve such detailed information?
Can i request this info from the DWP or is it up to me?

Someone I know is going through the same checks and has had trouble with the DBS service not accepting incorrect spelling of employers e.g. so I want to ensure it's all as needed to get it through quickly.

Ooh it’s a corner · Feb 5, 2023

Follow exactly what the application form/guidance tells you to. If it is clear you should disclose it then you should. When I was a HT I always preferred where people were honest, and went on to appoint more than one person who had a misdemeanour when they were much younger, providing they could give an explanation of their actions and that I(and the local authority where appropriate) were satisfied. The offences most quoted were minor ones.

Ooh it’s a corner · Feb 5, 2023

Minor driving offences are usually largely irrelevant. Just do the best you can in terms of schooling and employment but obviously the most recent 10 years or so is more important than your earlier professional life

birthofanorange · Feb 5, 2023

Algernon said:
Please excuse me for tagging onto this thread but I'm looking to start a job where I'll have to go through the enhanced DBS procedure.
The form asks for all previous employment and education etc.
I'm 57 years old and I'm sure I won't be able to fully recall my previous employment or education, or home addresses.
I lived in Germany for 6 years when I was a kid. My total schooling = 3 primary schools, 4 secondary schools, BCT, and I've moved around England for work so I must've lived at 20 different addresses, maybe more.
When I was younger I was in and out of jobs regularly and to date I can think of at least 13 different employers. The one I've been with for this last two years have employed me on an ad-hoc basis issuing me with a contract then terminating it as each period of work came to an end so there will be periods of unemployment showing.
I have no convictions other than minor driving offences and no cautions.

How does everyone recall and retrieve such detailed information?
Can i request this info from the DWP or is it up to me?

Someone I know is going through the same checks and has had trouble with the DBS service not accepting incorrect spelling of employers e.g. so I want to ensure it's all as needed to get it through quickly.

Oddly, I never had to complete any of that, as my employers organised my required enhanced DBS check.

herecomesaregular · Feb 5, 2023

Algernon said:
Please excuse me for tagging onto this thread but I'm looking to start a job where I'll have to go through the enhanced DBS procedure.
The form asks for all previous employment and education etc.
I'm 57 years old and I'm sure I won't be able to fully recall my previous employment or education, or home addresses.
I lived in Germany for 6 years when I was a kid. My total schooling = 3 primary schools, 4 secondary schools, BCT, and I've moved around England for work so I must've lived at 20 different addresses, maybe more.
When I was younger I was in and out of jobs regularly and to date I can think of at least 13 different employers. The one I've been with for this last two years have employed me on an ad-hoc basis issuing me with a contract then terminating it as each period of work came to an end so there will be periods of unemployment showing.
I have no convictions other than minor driving offences and no cautions.

How does everyone recall and retrieve such detailed information?
Can i request this info from the DWP or is it up to me?

Someone I know is going through the same checks and has had trouble with the DBS service not accepting incorrect spelling of employers e.g. so I want to ensure it's all as needed to get it through quickly.

Only heard of this on an application form. The employer I was with (working with vulnerable adults) , with re to the application form, wouldn't allow any gaps in history. It was a company policy. But all that meant for the applicant is listing things in order without gaps, even if way back in younger days the dates were just guesstimates. If you do this once then just save it for future use. Many applicants didn't do this so I continually had to ask them to even though it was a bit of a joke... but HR insisting on it even if it was "1990-2000 not working, bringing up children" or (in my case ) "1998-2000 and 2002-2003" backpacking abroad. My understanding was that it was about getting the applicant to declare their history and no unexplained gaps so any "surprises" later (time in a Bangkok jail) were only a surprise because they hadn't declared them (therefore sackable). Or something like that.

If you do get an enhanced DBS I would recommend paying the £13 pa (paid by you not an employer) for the DBS autorenew service as it means your next job (aslong as still adults you're working with for example) it's much quicker process for everyone - no new form to be completed, no waits, just a quick computer check for any cautions/convictions since last check.

HantsSeagull · Feb 5, 2023

Chicken Run said:
I have to have an enhanced DBS done every six months and when I had the the first one done 3 years ago I was horrified to see a drunk and disorderly court appearance still on the from 1988, I should say the officer inspecting took a view that I might have grown up a little since then Btw fine was £250 in 1988,

Disappointed in you mate.....

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