[Albion] Fabinho targetting the Achilles

Jim in the West

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It is striking how much time VAR spend trying to suck the joy out of football when someone could be a couple of millimetres offside. Compare that to how little concern VAR seems to have for player safety.
That decision yesterday sends a clear message to players that they can go through the back of opponents with force, with little attempt to play the ball.
PGMOL need to come out and tell us (and players) that tackles like that are red card offences. And apologise for the serious cock up by officials yesterday.

 

nicko31

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I don't think Fabinho's action were deliberate yesterday, I think his body language said that. But it was extremely careless bordering on wreckless.

A disgrace VAR failed to act. Another poor fixture for them

 

CheeseRolls

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I heckled him off the pitch when he was substituted during the league game. This was after he had put in a similar dirty challenge from behind. Was it on Mac Allister, I am not sure now? Same area of the pitch no chance of winning the ball, pure thuggery. Refs really need to get a grip on this.

 

A1X

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Players make bad tackles, it happens. But the lack of punishment is unfathomable.

 

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From the Guardian >

1) Humans make mockery of VAR​

There was a grim moment towards the end at the Amex Stadium as Fabinho propelled his right foot through the back of Evan Ferguson’s leg, crunching his achilles. Ferguson stayed down in genuine pain, before eventually limping off. Fabinho knew instantly it was a horrible tackle and looked genuinely ashamed. Jordan Henderson knew it was a horrible tackle, apologising to the Brighton players and shaking his head. And yet the referee David Coote, somehow, didn’t. Neil Swarbrick, the VAR, also thought it was, you know, probably fine. Presumably this is an extension of the diktat about not re-reffing the game, allowing the initial view to stand if the on-field referee saw it clearly. But it is also the kind of mistake that discredits the entire fussicky, delay-ridden video system. Fabinho got a yellow that should have been a red, and a good red, the kind of red that discourages dangerous play. Don’t blame the robots. Humans are, as ever, the problem here. It is to be hoped Ferguson is not badly injured. - Barney Ronay

FA Cup fourth round: 10 talking points from the weekend’s action

It was a good weekend for Amad Diallo and Son Heung-min – but a bad one for shocks and a rough one for referees

www.theguardian.com

 

A1X

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Greg Bobkin

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Waiting for the "He's not that type of player..." comments from the likes of Sourness and any other Liverpool Luvvie in the football media...

 

Sheebo

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Really poor for the ref to miss it - thank god we have video assistant tech now though… oh

 

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nickbrighton

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Mackenzie said:

It needs reviewing and he needs a retrospective red card and banning. Dangerous tackle, meant to injure.

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Am i right in thinking that as it was dealt with at the time, it can't be retrospecctivly reviewed?

 

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rippleman

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It just goes to show that despite our lofty league position #teamslikebrighton are still treated unfairly by officials. The ref yesterday clearly favoured Liverpool and the PGMOL has to start disciplining and suspending match officials for clear and obvious bias. The challenge on AliMac was a clear foul and a second booking but again went "unnoticed".

The consequences for young Ferguson could be serious and significant.

 

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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nickbrighton said:

Am i right in thinking that as it was dealt with at the time, it can't be retrospecctivly reviewed?

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Yes you are correct, retrospective action can only be taken on incidents missed during the match. Yellow card, and a VAR review mean this was dealt with and nothing else can happen.

 

Badger Boy

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• #32

About 20 years ago I was a referee a very local level and I got fined by the FA for changing an on-field decision in an 11-a-side Sunday League game. I didn't have the best view and erred on the side of caution, giving a yellow. Both captains told me I was wrong but I said, no. It's my decision - I thought it was an honest attempt which had gone badly wrong. Both managers spoke about it on the touchline, with their captains, and called me over - all 4 were in agreement it should be a straight red card so I took back the yellow and gave the red. The player himself apologised and accepted the card. Did the usual report to the FA on the game afterwards and explained the red card situation and they fined me, half the match fee I think and warned me in future to stick to my own decision.

I disagreed and disagree to this day - if the players on the pitch are in agreement and even the manager of the offending player puts his hands up and accepts it should be a red, you as a referee shouldn't be in a position to go with the wrong decision.

Konate and Fabinho were both very lucky not to be sent off but admittedly, I don't really remember the Robertson one as I type this. Konate and Fabinho's fouls stand out to me as shocking decisions.

 

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AlexBH

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Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ said:

From the Guardian >

1) Humans make mockery of VAR​

There was a grim moment towards the end at the Amex Stadium as Fabinho propelled his right foot through the back of Evan Ferguson’s leg, crunching his achilles. Ferguson stayed down in genuine pain, before eventually limping off. Fabinho knew instantly it was a horrible tackle and looked genuinely ashamed. Jordan Henderson knew it was a horrible tackle, apologising to the Brighton players and shaking his head. And yet the referee David Coote, somehow, didn’t. Neil Swarbrick, the VAR, also thought it was, you know, probably fine. Presumably this is an extension of the diktat about not re-reffing the game, allowing the initial view to stand if the on-field referee saw it clearly. But it is also the kind of mistake that discredits the entire fussicky, delay-ridden video system. Fabinho got a yellow that should have been a red, and a good red, the kind of red that discourages dangerous play. Don’t blame the robots. Humans are, as ever, the problem here. It is to be hoped Ferguson is not badly injured. - Barney Ronay

FA Cup fourth round: 10 talking points from the weekend’s action

It was a good weekend for Amad Diallo and Son Heung-min – but a bad one for shocks and a rough one for referees

www.theguardian.com

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They seem to pick and choose when to apply this though. We’ve all the multiple times where referee’s have gone to review the incident on a pitch side monitor. Whether it’s corruption or incompetence there is no excuse for not using the video replays and changing incorrect decisions by the referee otherwise there is no point in VAR.

 

HastingsSeagull

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• #34

I don’t think he meant it, but agree he has history plus should have been an obvious red. As should a couple others yesterday. Since we won the most important thing is young Mr Ferguson