[Football] Potter [NOT] at Chelsea

warmleyseagull said:

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. You can cut this anyway you like, but you can’t just ignore 6 defeats on the spin. Fact is that after 29 games we were also on 33 points and heading for 43 points using your PPG method; a very slight improvement on the preceding season.

The key is game 31 was a season changer: Caicedo debuted, Mwepu came back from injury (and,I would add, Maupay dropped, but let’s not go there), 2-1 at Arsenal and off we went. You might say genius Potter for picking Caicedo, but he had the honesty later in the run to admit he should have played him earlier. Had he done so, it’s not too much of a stretch to say we might have pipped West Ham for a European place.

I am in minority of about one, I believe, who thinks Potter gets far too much credit for finishing 9th. Instead,, credit the acquisitions team for pinching MC from Man U and ask why GP waited till April to play him.

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Weststander said:

I agree, especially after this latest ongoing shopping spree, gathering Europe’s best.

Nsc is going to really hate The Chavs next summer. A Merseyside journalist is reporting that Caicedo will ultimately join Chelsea.

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jackalbion said:

I agree his work with Ostersunds was very very good, but I think we all suffer from delusions in football, and now he’s no longer with Brighton I can stop being deluded with the idea that he was a genius. Pretending his first two seasons with Brighton were highly successful would be incorrect and his time at Swansea was instantly out done by Cooper within a year. Getting us 9th was impressive and leaving us at 4th was also pretty decent but he had a chance to do something genuinely special with us, but he chose to not be highly successful with Chelsea.

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Horses Arse said:

, there's not been a dud although there have been a few potteresque failures to score and I reckon a Potter team wouldn't have lost to villa.

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Kalimantan Gull said:

I'm one of the very few that voted that I hope he succeeds, for reasons buried earlier on the thread. I was also someone who hated him when he left, for leaving us right at the time when all the hard work and faith was paying off, I've not forgiven him exactly but recognise what an important role he played and what a great job he did. I'm also like the vast majority that is excited by RDZ and the potential he is showing.

One interesting thought experiment is to go back to the time immediately after Leicester and ask ourselves if we'd rather none of this had happened and Potter was still here. Most will, I'm sure, reflect on the goings on and say we're pleased how it all worked out. It's certainly true that if it wasn't Chelsea it would have been someone and we'd always be looking over our shoulders every time a vacancy came up. But the other side of the coin is that his departure certainly put a dent in our progress. I reckon that if he'd have stayed we'd be having the season that Newcastle are having, and that still frustrates the heck out of me.

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Paulie Gualtieri said:

Looking at getting some Albion related canvas made for my home office, too much?

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Horses Arse said:

I reckon a Potter team wouldn't have lost to villa.

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Icy Gull said:

Yep, Let It Go and use one of the De Zerbi squat before he breaks into a run after we score, or the killing of the ball stone dead with the outside of his foot on the touchline.

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Horses Arse said:

9th was great, but caicedo had a lot to do with that, it was a mistake holding him back for so long. Could so easily have been 13th as I recall in the last game played. But still good after an appalling mid period when we threw the good start away.

Another good start this season, would we have maintained that or thrown it away like last season? Doesn't look like Potter believed we would maintain it. We've improved our performances, there's not been a dud although there have been a few potteresque failures to score and I reckon a Potter team wouldn't have lost to villa.

We've certainly benefited from his greed so all positive for me! I do hope he bombs out at Chelsea though as it would be good for his education. Perhaps realise that when he said it was a team effort he was actually correct.

He's a great coach, great manager and both parties benefit from the relationship. The question at large is whether Potter has peaked, I'm not sure we have just yet. Strap in!!!

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Kalimantan Gull said:

I'm one of the very few that voted that I hope he succeeds, for reasons buried earlier on the thread. I was also someone who hated him when he left, for leaving us right at the time when all the hard work and faith was paying off, I've not forgiven him exactly but recognise what an important role he played and what a great job he did. I'm also like the vast majority that is excited by RDZ and the potential he is showing.

One interesting thought experiment is to go back to the time immediately after Leicester and ask ourselves if we'd rather none of this had happened and Potter was still here. Most will, I'm sure, reflect on the goings on and say we're pleased how it all worked out. It's certainly true that if it wasn't Chelsea it would have been someone and we'd always be looking over our shoulders every time a vacancy came up. But the other side of the coin is that his departure certainly put a dent in our progress. I reckon that if he'd have stayed we'd be having the season that Newcastle are having, and that still frustrates the heck out of me.

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sydney said:

i'm not sure about the Newcastle sentiment , they have spent a lot more money than us and have billions to play with , we are playing really well at the moment but i think top 8 is the best we can hope for , i'm obviously happy to be proved wrong on that one ....Potter ..?? i was filthy when he left with the entire back room staff as it was obviously planned long in advance and i thought it was a dog act by Boehly but i don't begrudge Potter success at Chelsea. Another team with gargantuan finances to draw on and whom i now dislike immensely.

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Stat Brother said:

Unless 'holding Caicedo back' was time he needed to develop into the player he is today, and going forward.

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The Optimist said:

I don’t think we’d have matched Newcastle. The defeat at Fulham showed that as good as we were we could still be crap.

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Horses Arse said:

Potter himself acknowledged that it was a mistake, waited too long. I remember Vickery questioning what was happening too, TV initially thought slow and steady was right then was querying why he wasn't eventally breaking through. He was bossing games internationally yet not given a chance.

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Kalimantan Gull said:

I'm one of the very few that voted that I hope he succeeds, for reasons buried earlier on the thread. I was also someone who hated him when he left, for leaving us right at the time when all the hard work and faith was paying off, I've not forgiven him exactly but recognise what an important role he played and what a great job he did. I'm also like the vast majority that is excited by RDZ and the potential he is showing.

One interesting thought experiment is to go back to the time immediately after Leicester and ask ourselves if we'd rather none of this had happened and Potter was still here. Most will, I'm sure, reflect on the goings on and say we're pleased how it all worked out. It's certainly true that if it wasn't Chelsea it would have been someone and we'd always be looking over our shoulders every time a vacancy came up. But the other side of the coin is that his departure certainly put a dent in our progress. I reckon that if he'd have stayed we'd be having the season that Newcastle are having, and that still frustrates the heck out of me.

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gripper stebson said:

No need for another RDZ thread at the moment but just wait until the Juve or either Milan job become available.... could get messy again!

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gripper stebson said:

No need for another RDZ thread at the moment but just wait until the Juve or either Milan job become available.... could get messy again!

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