[Politics] PPE contracts

nicko31 · Nov 24, 2022

Scandalous on so many levels....

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm

Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

www.theguardian.com

A1X · Nov 24, 2022

The money funnelled through that VIP lane really ought to be under the noses of the fraud squad TBH, it’s criminal what they did with our money.

“Oh but they had to do something to get PPE”, so why not get it from actual UK based PPE suppliers? Rather than friends and family of Tory MPs and Lords?

nicko31 · Nov 24, 2022

A1X said:
The money funnelled through that VIP lane really ought to be under the noses of the fraud squad TBH, it’s criminal what they did with our money.

“Oh but they had to do something to get PPE”, so why not get it from actual UK based PPE suppliers? Rather than friends and family of Tory MPs and Lords?

PPE Medpro was formed in May 2020, within a few months it had landed a contract for £200m. Approved NHS vendors in PPE could even get phone calls returned.

This whole PPE scandal has still a long way to go

dazzer6666 · Nov 24, 2022

nicko31 said:
PPE Medpro was formed in May 2020, within a few months it had landed a contract for £200m. Approved NHS vendors in PPE could even get phone calls returned.

This whole PPE scandal has still a long way to go

People will go to jail for it, I’m convinced. May be many, many years away but it’s a colossal scandal and will get properly exposed at some point.

zefarelly · Nov 24, 2022

nicko31 said:
Scandalous on so many levels....

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm

Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

www.theguardian.com

Yes, yes it is . . . . And strangely, not in the least bit suprising.

They were doing their bit to save the country in a time of need

Nothing to see here, move along.

In a state of war they would have been, and arguably should be hung for treason.

Motogull · Nov 24, 2022

dazzer6666 said:
People will go to jail for it, I’m convinced.

In your dreams.

I say that as 100% with you in spirit.

WATFORD zero · Nov 25, 2022

dazzer6666 said:
People will go to jail for it, I’m convinced. May be many, many years away but it’s a colossal scandal and will get properly exposed at some point.

I sincerely hope you are correct as I believe that this happening while people were dying is just about the most immoral thing that this Government has done (and that is amongst some serious competition). However I really can't see it happening :down:

St Leonards Seagull · Nov 25, 2022

I’ve thought this for a while, if we get a change of government at some point, who do not have an interest in burying information.
If we have a fair and transparent inquiry then I’m convinced we will see senior politicians in prison.
Although getting to that point may prove to be difficult.

WATFORD zero · Nov 25, 2022

St Leonards Seagull said:
I’ve thought this for a while, if we get a change of government at some point, who do not have an interest in burying information.
If we have a fair and transparent inquiry then I’m convinced we will see senior politicians in prison.
Although getting to that point may prove to be difficult.

Hancock straight from the Jungle to Jail for his pub landlord's fast track PPE contract despite having had no previous experience of producing medical supplies ?

Or maybe for the shares he had in his sister's company that also got a fast track PPE contract ?

Pevenseagull · Nov 25, 2022

WATFORD zero said:
Hancock straight from the Jungle to Jail for his pub landlord's fast track PPE contract despite having had no previous experience of producing medical supplies ?

Or maybe for the shares he had in his sister's company that also got a fast track PPE contract ?

Or for the contracts given to his mistress' brother? https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...top-job-at-company-with-nhs-contracts-278590/

A mex eyecan · Nov 25, 2022

St Leonards Seagull said:
I’ve thought this for a while, if we get a change of government at some point, who do not have an interest in burying information.
If we have a fair and transparent inquiry then I’m convinced we will see senior politicians in prison.
Although getting to that point may prove to be difficult.

any idea who/which party could be elected and who would be squeaky clean enough right throughout their party to be able to open and examine inside this Pandora’s box without tainting themselves in some way?

St Leonards Seagull · Nov 25, 2022

A mex eyecan said:
any idea who/which party could be elected and who would be squeaky clean enough right throughout their party to be able to open and examine inside this Pandora’s box without tainting themselves in some way?

I don’t particularly want to get into party politics on this one. It may take a while.
As someone who worked frontline NHS throughout the pandemic, we had lots of PPE provided that we didn’t find out for sometimes months after using was not considered safe. We had absolutely no apologies, just memo’s to say that such and such batches of equipment have found to be substandard. I know it’s my job to see patients and to accept the risk that goes with that during a global pandemic, but the very least I expect would be basic checks to check the standards of PPE. Given the unknowns about Covid there were at the time.
If any member of government has made money out of substandard equipment they should be held to account regardless of their party.
I know that’s an ideal world and unlikely to happen and I’m far more likely to hear how selfish my profession is over the coming months due to strikes after years of substandard working conditions for nurses and therefore patient’s affected. But that’s for another day.
I’ll probably have to accept one day, that I’m an idealist, who hopes that people who are bad/negligent are held to account, this may not be the case, but I’ll carry on dreaming for now.

rippleman · Nov 25, 2022

St Leonards Seagull said:
I don’t particularly want to get into party politics on this one. It may take a while.
As someone who worked frontline NHS throughout the pandemic, we had lots of PPE provided that we didn’t find out for sometimes months after using was not considered safe. We had absolutely no apologies, just memo’s to say that such and such batches of equipment have found to be substandard. I know it’s my job to see patients and to accept the risk that goes with that during a global pandemic, but the very least I expect would be basic checks to check the standards of PPE. Given the unknowns about Covid there were at the time.
If any member of government has made money out of substandard equipment they should be held to account regardless of their party.
I know that’s an ideal world and unlikely to happen and I’m far more likely to hear how selfish my profession is over the coming months due to strikes after years of substandard working conditions for nurses and therefore patient’s affected. But that’s for another day.
I’ll probably have to accept one day, that I’m an idealist, who hopes that people who are bad/negligent are held to account, this may not be the case, but I’ll carry on dreaming for now.

It is disgraceful that this bunch of corrupt Tories exposed you and other frontline NHS heroes (in my eyes) to equipment that wasn't safe. And just so the bunch of crooks and assorted friends and relations could profit through PPE that wasn't safe. And that was just the PPE contracts where anything was actually delivered. Many contracts were paid and nothing received.

I think it unlikely that the likes of Johnson and Hancock will ever face the music for their corruption (for that is surely what it was). But we live in hope.

But thanks to you and your colleagues. I, for one, will never regard your selflessness as selfishness. It is disgraceful that this bunch of Tories have put you in the position where you have to take action to get a fair deal. I am 100% behind the RCN and hope that a decent settlement comes soon.

Mancgull · Nov 25, 2022

Disgraceful. I hope this is followed up and the ‘profits’ are given back to the NHS.

A mex eyecan · Nov 25, 2022

St Leonards Seagull said:
I don’t particularly want to get into party politics on this one. It may take a while.
As someone who worked frontline NHS throughout the pandemic, we had lots of PPE provided that we didn’t find out for sometimes months after using was not considered safe. We had absolutely no apologies, just memo’s to say that such and such batches of equipment have found to be substandard. I know it’s my job to see patients and to accept the risk that goes with that during a global pandemic, but the very least I expect would be basic checks to check the standards of PPE. Given the unknowns about Covid there were at the time.
If any member of government has made money out of substandard equipment they should be held to account regardless of their party.
I know that’s an ideal world and unlikely to happen and I’m far more likely to hear how selfish my profession is over the coming months due to strikes after years of substandard working conditions for nurses and therefore patient’s affected. But that’s for another day.
I’ll probably have to accept one day, that I’m an idealist, who hopes that people who are bad/negligent are held to account, this may not be the case, but I’ll carry on dreaming for now.

i’m not disputing any of what you say at all. My point was more name me a party who on thorough examination won’t have a single MP who isn’t tainted in some degree, no matter how minor. I very much doubt that there is/could be one. That’s the sadness, because of what could come to light they would make sure the torch had no batteries

St Leonards Seagull · Nov 25, 2022

I’d take any party with a moral compass at present. The current incumbents of government seem to have lost touch with reality and that reflects in their involvement around substandard PPE.
It’s a sad state of affairs that, there is probably not a party which is tainted in some way, I feel that at this stage all I can do is hope for change and see what that brings as the status quo doesn’t appear to be working.
Dangerous I know as whoever comes in could be worse.

A mex eyecan said:
i’m not disputing any of what you say at all. My point was more name me a party who on thorough examination won’t have a single MP who isn’t tainted in some degree, no matter how minor. I very much doubt that there is/could be one. That’s the sadness, because of what could come to light they would make sure the torch had no batteries

zefarelly · Nov 25, 2022

A mex eyecan said:
any idea who/which party could be elected and who would be squeaky clean enough right throughout their party to be able to open and examine inside this Pandora’s box without tainting themselves in some way?

Possibly Green, or Monster raving looney, can't think of any others.

rippleman · Nov 25, 2022

A mex eyecan said:
i’m not disputing any of what you say at all. My point was more name me a party who on thorough examination won’t have a single MP who isn’t tainted in some degree, no matter how minor. I very much doubt that there is/could be one. That’s the sadness, because of what could come to light they would make sure the torch had no batteries

I am not aware of any member of one of the opposition parties who has granted government contracts so that their assorted friends and relations could enrich themselves whilst the country was in crisis. Nope. Can't think of one.

The "they are all as bad as each other" argument in order to deflect blame away from the rotten, corrupt Tories isn't really going to wash.

But if you need to blame someone, there is only one man up to that job. Bloody Jeremy Corbyn!!

nicko31 · Nov 25, 2022

rippleman said:
I am not aware of any member of one of the opposition parties who has granted government contracts so that their assorted friends and relations could enrich themselves whilst the country was in crisis. Nope. Can't think of one.

The "they are all as bad as each other" argument in order to deflect blame away from the rotten, corrupt Tories isn't really going to wash.

But if you need to blame someone, there is only one man up to that job. Bloody Jeremy Corbyn!!

I still believe most politicians enter office for the right reason and not in it to further their own nests. Sadly, in this case the level of corruption we are seeing has not been experienced anywhere in this country in the modern age.

Meanwhile vast swathes of print media refuse to go anywhere near the story, the owners of these publications are complicate in deciding to look the other way.

Machiavelli · Nov 25, 2022

nicko31 said:
I still believe most politicians enter office for the right reason and not in it to further their own nests. Sadly, in this case the level of corruption we are seeing has not been experienced anywhere in this country in the modern age.

Meanwhile vast swathes of print media refuse to go anywhere near the story, the owners of these publications are complicate in deciding to look the other way.

Agree with this completely, and would add many thanks to @St Leonards Seagull for the job that you do, and fully behind the industrial action NHS staff are taking. It's not just about the real-terms pay cut of 20% over 12 years that the current staff have suffered; it's also to do with the fact that, at current rates, the NHS is unable to recruit sufficient numbers to cope with the excessive demand, and that continuing real-term pay cuts will bring one of this country's greatest institutions down.

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