[Politics] Next Conservative Leader - Rishi Sunak

Daddies_Sauce · Oct 24, 2022

I quite like Starmer, he is not charismatic, but he will work (hard) for the country not the elite. He has been quietly tiding up Labour and has a built a good team around him. I do wonder if the Blond Bombshell will sit on the back benches and throw grenades, the Tories will collapse and finally a General Election will need to be held. The problem that this gives Labour is that as a country we are fooked, we have no money. Unpopular policies will need to be implemented to try and balance the books, the elite will squeal like the fat pigs that they are, as tax increases are implemented for the wealthy. Sadly Labour will then loose the following General Election and the wheel spins again.

Strange how those who were stating how great the mini budget was for them are now being very quiet.

Guinness Boy · Oct 24, 2022

nicko31 said:
Whilst I'd like Labour to win I'm not sure I'd want them to do so by a huge huge margin.

I know what you mean. A Labour government with a small but working majority and an effective opposition is step two for getting back on track.

Step one is renegotiating Brexit. We all know the ERG won't do that though. (Former?) Tory backer and leading investor Guy Hands told Today this morning:

"I think [the Tory Party] has got to move on from fighting its own internal wars and actually focus on what needs to be done in the economy and admitting some of the mistakes they've made in the last six years which have frankly put this country on a path to be the sick man of Europe."

Yes, he was talking about Brexit and went on to say that without the Trussonomics rejected by both markets and country Brexit was unworkable, and that we're on course for an IMF bailout a la 1974.

Still, I expect WW and Is it Potg? will be along shortly to reassure us it's all going swimmingly.

mikeyjh · Oct 24, 2022

nicko31 said:
Just remember Sunak may not have the lies but he's no Mother Theresa, remember what he said a few short weeks ago

I'll raise you this rather sinister passage:-

Paulie Gualtieri · Oct 24, 2022

I never envisioned a world where I would a flying f*** what Dorries had to say but today I’ve got the Twitter alerts on, its going to be equally tragic as it is glorious

rogersix · Oct 24, 2022

Lenny Rider said:
The lies and the bullshit continue, Ffs don’t these people realise it’s not about 357 of them it’s about 60 million of us?

no, they don't. if you would like to know what the point of the conservative party is, simply read about their 200+ year history, they're not bashful

rogersix · Oct 24, 2022

Deportivo Seagull said:
bumble**** will be slowing dying inside. He envisaged riding into Blighty like some knight in shinning armour to save us from disaster …. Only to be told to ’f*** off‘ by his party because they don’t trust a word he says and the evidence for the party gate investigation must be damming.
He has been rejected and humiliated by his own party … magnificent.

he'll be back! vote bumble**** 2029!

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2022

Beware of Sunak as he’s a big fan of the ‘Freeports’ or Charter Cities, or investment zones, take your pick which description fits.

The sooner we get this lot out, the better.

Guinness Boy · Oct 24, 2022

Paulie Gualtieri said:
I never envisioned a world where I would a flying f*** what Dorries had to say but today I’ve got the Twitter alerts on, its going to be equally tragic as it is glorious

She's got to put the vodka in her coffee first.

peterward · Oct 24, 2022

Daddies_Sauce said:
I quite like Starmer, he is not charismatic, but he will work (hard) for the country not the elite. He has been quietly tiding up Labour and has a built a good team around him. I do wonder if the Blond Bombshell will sit on the back benches and throw grenades, the Tories will collapse and finally a General Election will need to be held. The problem that this gives Labour is that as a country we are fooked, we have no money. Unpopular policies will need to be implemented to try and balance the books, the elite will squeal like the fat pigs that they are, as tax increases are implemented for the wealthy. Sadly Labour will then loose the following General Election and the wheel spins again.

Strange how those who were stating how great the mini budget was for them are now being very quiet.

I think starmers background is pretty compelling, but he has no charisma, the personality of a potatoe and he's not a strong leader. It's all scripted.

He will win the next GE and there will be millions who vote for him for the same reasons they voted for Johnson last time or Biden in US. They're the only gig who could stop Corbyn or Trump.

Similarly, a large % of labour's vote will be the kick the tories out more than advocacy of Starmer/Labour. All he needs do is turn up.

Beyond GE as the reality bites and the problems don't go away and the spotlight is on Starmer 24/7, i'd imagine both his and labour's transient support will then start sliding.

Blair had charisma and inherited a pretty decent economic outlook. Starmer has little and is inheriting a mess.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him jettisoned before the following GE.

peterward · Oct 24, 2022

Thunder Bolt said:
Beware of Sunak as he’s a big fan of the ‘Freeports’ or Charter Cities, or investment zones, take your pick which description fits.

The sooner we get this lot out, the better.

And as many of us wonder how we can pay our mortgages.

Sunak has just built a new 400k swimming pool extension in his mansion.

I guess the extra electricity for the heating & the water pump isn't a problem.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2022

peterward said:
I think starmers background is pretty compelling, but he has no charisma, the personality of a potatoe and he's not a strong leader.

He will win the next GE and there will be millions who vote for him for the same reasons they voted for Johnson last time or Biden in US. They're the only gig who could stop Corbyn or Trump.

Similarly, a large % of labour's vote will be the kick the tories out more than advocacy of Starmer/Labour. All he needs do is turn up.

Beyond GE as the reality bites and the problems don't go away and the spotlight is on Starmer 24/7, i'd imagine both his and labour's transient support will then start sliding.

Blair had charisma and inherited a pretty decent economic outlook. Starmer has little and is inheriting a mess.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him jettisoned before the following GE.

It is not a popularity contest, so charisma should be bottom of the list for voting purposes.
Judge people by their actions, not how they look or sound.

Is it PotG? · Oct 24, 2022

Thunder Bolt said:
It is not a popularity contest, so charisma should be bottom of the list for voting purposes.
Judge people by their actions, not how they look or sound.

If/when he actually acts and stands for something, we'll see the mettle of the man.

Paulie Gualtieri · Oct 24, 2022

Guinness Boy said:
She's got to put the vodka in her coffee first.

The coffee in the vodka Shirley

WATFORD zero · Oct 24, 2022

DavidinSouthampton said:
The only way is up! We hope!

trusting naively that this might be the return to some sort of decent standards in public life.

Much as I agree with the sentiment, I feel I have to point out that we will now have a Prime Minister who was Johnson's number two (possibly quite appropriately) throughout the majority of the Brexit cabal's complete economic and political cluster**** that has got us to here :shrug:

Paulie Gualtieri · Oct 24, 2022

peterward said:
And as many of us wonder how we can pay our mortgages.

Sunak has just built a new 400k swimming pool extension in his mansion.

I guess the extra electricity for the heating & the water pump isn't a problem.

Clad it in wood, throw down some sawdust and hay and it’s an allowable expense apparently

Kinky Gerbil · Oct 24, 2022

Titanic · Oct 24, 2022

Titanic said:
I simply cannot believe that there is a serious discussion about the return of Boris.

What a strange world we live in.

Well, Thank God for small mercies.

DavidinSouthampton · Oct 24, 2022

That’s why I said naively.

but Sunak was also one of the first to resign when it got too much. I don’t like his politics, but I think he’s much more likely to do things properly and be honest.

my interpretation of what has happened over the weekend and Johnson’s conversations with Sunak and Mordaunt is that he was only on about 60 votes, was trying to persuade one or the other to stand aside for him, and that they both told him to do one. Reading his statement last night, it really is a (short) essay in entitlement and delusion.

but the Daily Mail apparently has said it is an example of wisdom and statesmanship, or something similar.

peterward · Oct 24, 2022

Thunder Bolt said:
It is not a popularity contest, so charisma should be bottom of the list for voting purposes.
Judge people by their actions, not how they look or sound.

I appreciate it should, but it doesn't work that way. You know it. We all do. Idealism doesn't win votes. It's perceived connection from voter perpective as well as policy.

You think Johnson is a good politician? Trump, Blair, Farage? It's a lot about charisma and story telling. Connecting with sections of voters.

Feel sure I'll vote red at next GE (as cons have become toxic) but Starmers lack of personality and the fact he is not able to easily talk normally without deviating from highly scripted talking points (which makes him bland & robotic) isn't going to retain him much support outside traditional labour voter base when light is on him constantly and the problems dont all go away. Labour base will vote for him regardless.

Floating voters decide elections and leaders personality/charisma is a factor.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 24, 2022

peterward said:
I appreciate it should, but it doesn't work that way. You know it. We all do. Idealism doesn't win votes. It's perceived connection from voter perpective as well as policy.

You think Johnson is a good politician? Trump, Blair, Farage? It's a lot about charisma and story telling. Connecting with sections of voters.

Feel sure I'll vote red at next GE (as cons have become toxic) but Starmers lack of personality and the fact he is not able to easily talk normally without deviating from highly scripted talking points (which makes him bland & robotic) isn't going to retain him much support outside traditional labour voter base when light is on him constantly and the problems dont all go away. Labour base will vote for him regardless.

Floating voters decide elections and leaders personality/charisma is a factor.

I vote for the candidate that I think will do a good job for my constituency. Then I look at the wider picture of the country.
As it happens, the candidate I will vote for next time, reflects both.

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