[Albion] Odsonne Édouard

[Farehamseagull]

“In August 2017, Deportivo La Coruña turned down a €13 million offer for the player [Andone] from Premier League side Burnley, with club president Tino Fernández stating that Andone would only leave if his €30 million release clause is activated. Brighton & Hove Albion was also interested in transferring him,and made a €20 million bid which was also supposedly rejected.”

We know how to play the waiting game and win.

Not the best example as in that case we just got lucky rather than being particularly skilled in negotiations. If they'd accepted the offer we'd have wasted an extra £15m on a player who has hardly featured for us over 3 years. Deportivo then getting relegated was a bonus.

 

[Justice]

Agreed. 1 more season and he'll be available for free.

With a lot more suitors I would imagine.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Where have you heard that many transfer fees are renegotiated?

One example - and this generally only comes to light when there is a dispute - http://sportwitness.co.uk/manchester-city-demanding-payment-transfer-refuse-renegotiate-terms/

Sometimes clubs will negotiate a reduction in the fee to pay off the remaining stage payments sooner - sometimes they will agree to pay extra in order to reduce the size of the payments due - sometimes a club will accept a renegotiation out of the knowledge that the other club could go bankrupt and they will get little or nothing. It is normal business practice - and, after all, football is a business.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

With a lot more suitors I would imagine.

Bound to be.

 

[vagabond]

This thread is quite funny now.

Delusion, desperation, crackpot conspiracy theories, it’s all here!

Seems a bit harsh?

We have two sides of “ITKs” with conflicting info. Naylor and Owen say we have “still no interest” in Edouard, the Celtic itk, the Mail and the original journo say we are making a move after their Champions League qualifier.

Myself, I have no idea. But one side has to be wrong. I don’t see too much desperation, delusion or being crackpot in discussing this.

 

[um bongo molongo]

Agreed. 1 more season and he'll be available for free. I know more clubs could then challenge for his signature but surely with no fee we could compete with a few others for his services.

In that scenario we’d lose out to someone paying higher wages for sure.

 

[vagabond]

Neither Owen nor Naylor added the caveat "at this time" or "things could change".etc.

It was a definitive denial. They have been well and truly shafted credibility-wise if the club was feeding them a false line.

My theory/guess :

We have another striker signing ready to be announced on the day Ben White leaves. And Owen and Naylor have been given the hint ( not necessarily given a name though).

Good shout.

It would make sense PR wise to have some sort of”good news” when announcing the Ben White exit (although many of us are fine with it of course).

Rather than being a striker I do think it may well be the announcement of Bissoumas new contract.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Not the best example as in that case we just got lucky rather than being particularly skilled in negotiations. If they'd accepted the offer we'd have wasted an extra £15m on a player who has hardly featured for us over 3 years. Deportivo then getting relegated was a bonus.

The €20m bid showed Andone we were serious though. Do you think there was only one club willing to pay his €6m release fee as he ran his contract down? It would not surprise me if we made a confidential £20m bid to Celtic last summer with the Nunez money. It was widely reported that they valued the Frenchman at £30m+, when he decided not to sign a contract extension, I suspect the tactic to get his signature changed.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

I think we kissed goodbye to that money to part-fund our losses last season.

The bottom line is - post-Covid - if we sign a striker it will be with additional money, provided Tony is prepared to stump up. The club doesn't have any money, it's all Tony's.

He owes us nothing and, boy, am I grateful for what he has done for this club. Personally, I would be prepared to sell Biss for £40mill if it meant we brought in Edouard and Cucurella. Sure, Biss will leave a hole but I'd rather take my chances rather than have a repeat of last season xG nightmare.

I'm not sure selling Bissouma would be necessary.

We've saved £7.1m a year in wages alone from the sale or release of Propper £1.5m, Ryan £1.5m, Izqueirdo £1.8m and Jahanbakhsh £2.3m.

Because of the way transfer fees are accounted over the length of the contatct, that potentially frees up £28m in transfer fees (£28m amortised over 4 year contract is £7m a year)

Then factor in the fees we received, probably around £10m combined for Ryan, Propper and Jahanbakhsh.

That's £38m added to transfer fund without any percentage of the White fee that might be reinvested.

We've probably spent £25m so far on Mwepu and Scherpen.

So that leaves £13m for Cucurella.

Without touching the Ben White money. So if we need extra for a striker, it could come from that.

The way we have previously taken several windows before we land our target, could Fyodor Chalov be a striker target? There was a lot of noise about him last year.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Seems a bit harsh?

We have two sides of “ITKs” with conflicting info. Naylor and Owen say we have “still no interest” in Edouard, the Celtic itk, the Mail and the original journo say we are making a move after their Champions League qualifier.

Myself, I have no idea. But one side has to be wrong. I don’t see too much desperation, delusion or being crackpot in discussing this.

This 'after the Champions League qualifier' line is what knocks down the story for me. If we want the player, why wait to bid? Why risk him getting injured in a competitive game?

 

[Farehamseagull]

Seems a bit harsh?

We have two sides of “ITKs” with conflicting info. Naylor and Owen say we have “still no interest” in Edouard, the Celtic itk, the Mail and the original journo say we are making a move after their Champions League qualifier.

Myself, I have no idea. But one side has to be wrong. I don’t see too much desperation, delusion or being crackpot in discussing this.

Really?! This whole thread stinks of desperation! And all for a player who, whilst his movement and touches look good in the MTL, ultimately has scored less goals than Maupay did for Brentford in a stronger division.

And the delusion is pretty evident in some of the very funny theories put forward by people who have no real knowledge of the workings of transfer dealings but are apparently desperate for this to happen for some reason.

And crackpot conspiracy theories? Check out the poster who thinks our board are just trying to drive up the price for Palace to overpay!

I hope the thread carries on, it's a bit of pre-season light entertainment.

 

[Bob!]

I'm not sure selling Bissouma would be necessary.

We've saved £7.1m a year in wages alone from the sale or release of Propper £1.5m, Ryan £1.5m, Izqueirdo £1.8m and Jahanbakhsh £2.3m.

Because of the way transfer fees are accounted over the length of the contatct, that potentially frees up £28m in transfer fees (£28m amortised over 4 year contract is £7m a year)

Then factor in the fees we received, probably around £10m combined for Ryan, Propper and Jahanbakhsh.

That's £38m added to transfer fund without any percentage of the White fee that might be reinvested.

We've probably spent £25m so far on Mwepu and Scherpen.

So that leaves £13m for Cucurella.

Without touching the Ben White money. So if we need extra for a striker, it could come from that.

The way we have previously taken several windows before we land our target, could Fyodor Chalov be a striker target? There was a lot of noise about him last year.

Are we not paying the wages of the new guys then?

 

[b.w.2.]

It is number 2, but that is not my argument. I am thinking: we have taken similar punts on this range of striker before: Maupay, Ali J, Locadia and Andone. All similar pricewise, and it is clear to me that we are not going to get much better than the better of those 4 players for our money. People like you keep urging the club to do more of the same: £20m here, £15m there - all someone else's money obviously, but what makes you think Edouardo is going to be better than any of the others?

In answer to your question, my plan is that I am happy enough to give them all another year to prove they've got what it takes. I genuinely think we'll be ok.

Against West Brom, Welbeck and Gross both missed pens. Against Man Utd, Trossard hit the woodwork 3 times. This sort of thing went on all season until the last 10 or 12 games, I actually think we were unlucky to an extreme level and really can't believe we will have another season being so profligate in front of goal. What's your plan, get rid of all of them and replace them with? I am all ears!

My plan is take another punt on Edouard or similar. We have to believe one of our purchases will come through or we will not progress. And Tony wants to progress next season. We will not progress with basically the same strikers, maybe Andone for Zeq. Sorry but your optimism is unrealistic.


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[southstandandy]

I'm not sure selling Bissouma would be necessary.

We've saved £7.1m a year in wages alone from the sale or release of Propper £1.5m, Ryan £1.5m, Izqueirdo £1.8m and Jahanbakhsh £2.3m.

Because of the way transfer fees are accounted over the length of the contatct, that potentially frees up £28m in transfer fees (£28m amortised over 4 year contract is £7m a year)

Then factor in the fees we received, probably around £10m combined for Ryan, Propper and Jahanbakhsh.

That's £38m added to transfer fund without any percentage of the White fee that might be reinvested.

We've probably spent £25m so far on Mwepu and Scherpen.

So that leaves £13m for Cucurella.

Without touching the Ben White money. So if we need extra for a striker, it could come from that.

The way we have previously taken several windows before we land our target, could Fyodor Chalov be a striker target? There was a lot of noise about him last year.

Need to remember though there were losses of £69m from the season before last to factor into any incoming money we get from transfers as well.

 

[Simster]

My plan is take another punt on Edouard or similar. We have to believe one of our purchases will come through or we will not progress. And Tony wants to progress next season. We will not progress with basically the same strikers, maybe Andone for Zeq. Sorry but your optimism is unrealistic.


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To reiterate, I am not against us signing Edouardo if that's the decision. I just don't get the excitement and I certainly don't get your urgency. Insisting we ABSOLUTELY MUST sign him or we'll go down seems like bedwetting to me.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Alan 'boss of goss' Nixon has just said there is a 'a fair bit' of truth in the Eduardo story. So we can now be reasonably sure it's rubbish.

 

[b.w.2.]

To reiterate, I am not against us signing Edouardo if that's the decision. I just don't get the excitement and I certainly don't get your urgency. Insisting we ABSOLUTELY MUST sign him or we'll go down seems like bedwetting to me.

Actually I never said go down. I made it clear that another bottom 5 or 6 season is not good enough, and not aligned to Tony’s goal for next season either.

I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth


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[b.w.2.]

Alan 'boss of goss' Nixon has just said there is a 'a fair bit' of truth in the Eduardo story. So we can now be reasonably sure it's rubbish.

Maybe not. Even Nixon is right sometimes


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[Jolly Red Giant]

Then factor in the fees we received, probably around £10m combined for Ryan, Propper and Jahanbakhsh.

Reported that nothing was paid upfront for Propper (£2m possible depending on clauses over the next two years) - Ryan went for a reported £1m - and - Jahanbakhsh was reported at £5m

So - £6million in fees with the potential to rise to £8million.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Need to remember though there were losses of £69m from the season before last to factor into any incoming money we get from transfers as well.

Has been highlighted many times that is accountancy loss. Yes I’m sure money had to be added to the bank account, indeed The club borrowed some but not that amount.