[Football] Police call for cocaine users to be banned from football after Euros mayhem

[Sheebo]

Nah, you played the I'm Cool card and him/her as The Square.

No idea what that means but not up for riddles. Night night.

 

[Sheebo]

I make no morale judgement on how people get their kicks and there is certainly a debate to be had about decriminalising possession of drugs. However you can't have people openly taking drugs and causing problems with people who aren't taking them, as happened last Saturday.

If people don't show discretion then they will prod the bear and the Police will get involved, which unfortunately will include the likes of me who enjoy a McDonalds breakfast on the Euston Road to perk themselves up on an away trip.

Agreed but absolutely zero evidence to suggest those that caused the issues were on x y or z. Don’t think it was that major incident given the occasion and amount of people but the press like to pick something to blow up. Scum fans broke in and injured people in a capacity crowd and that got next to no national attention.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I might have completely misunderstood the point of your post but the positives for me are pretty numerous.

1) Legalising it means potency/purity can be controlled safely. This works both ways with high potency skunk being regulated as well as lower quality cocaine being cut with safer substances.

2) If drugs were legalised then people struggling with addiction issues would potentially feel more comfortable coming forward for help with their addictions. As hard as coming out and admitting you’re an alcoholic must be, it’s a tonne easier than admitting an addiction to an illegal substance due to the added stigma

3) The legal sale of substances would raise valuable taxes which can go in to both mental health and physical health services to deal with substance abuse issues

4) It would kick the legs of organised crime out from underneath it. The popularity of county line operations(entry level gang members sent from big cities to small towns to set up dealing hotspots) show how profitable it is. Removing 90% of their business would cripple both street gangs and their suppliers.

5) It would stop the police wasting time and money on a battle they are never going to win. I won’t use the ‘war on drugs’ phrase , but the police v drug dealers is like the frailest kid in Year 7 fighting the sixth form
Rugby team. He might be get the odd jab in, but he’s never going to come out on too. It would also stop overcrowding our prisons and court system over what many would see as petty crimes


Of course there is drawbacks too, and if this country was ever to legalise drugs then the first few months might turn the U.K. in to a massive version of Ayia Napa for a couple of months, but overall it would do a world of good in the long term. At the end of the day though, America are more advanced in their discussion or decriminalising drugs than we are… AMERICA!!! A country where they still care if the President is religious and abortion is a massive issue every election. To be less progressive on any issue than them is bloody mental

Obviously there is quite a bit we disagree on but perhaps this more than anything. Progressive means enacting policy that creates more opportunity for certain demographics to realise their potential and live as productive lives as the majority. That does not apply to people trying have a good time on a Saturday night. As HWT said there is a ‘me,me,me’ attitude in the legalization lobby and it is certainly not progressive.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

‘Druggies’ Does that cover anyone who’s ever used a drug? The drug alcohol? Barry who has a spliff once a month when he visits his mate and plays poker? Such a generalisation there. I have kids to bring up too and can’t ever say someone’s vice has affected them once so far

It’s not just this subject is it though. Covid is a great one. Nobody knows the full facts - especially the vaccine - yet there’s people protesting about a ‘death jab’ - literally without knowing anything for sure - society seems to have to have strong opinions and a platform to voice them on literally everything - and I’m sure social media etc platforms make this possible / worse.

No, they’re alkies

 

[Whitechapel]

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Obviously there is quite a bit we disagree on but perhaps this more than anything. Progressive means enacting policy that creates more opportunity for certain demographics to realise their potential and live as productive lives as the majority. That does not apply to people trying have a good time on a Saturday night. As HWT said there is a ‘me,me,me’ attitude in the legalization lobby and it is certainly not progressive.

I’m not sure any of the points I made, which included raising funds for the NHS & helping to defund most criminal organisations are particularly ‘me me me’. In fact, from the perspective of somebody who just wants a bag now and then it makes no difference to me if it’s legalised or not - the supply will always be there. In fact legalising it would probably make it harder work as I’d no longer be getting it delivered straight to my door. It should be legalised because it’s a time and money sink for the police force and justice system, and the fact it’s status does very little to discourage its use.

However if the reasons I laid out are too self-centred for you then how about the fact that numerous drugs are now believed to help with lots of relatively common mental health problems and their currently illegality could be holding back full research in this country.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...#Will-psilocybin-ever-be-approved-by-the-FDA?

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/01/health/mdma-psychotherapy-ptsd-study/index.html

https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-019-2409-8

I’ll stand by my point that America’s decriminalisation of weed is progressive, and the stance Portugal has taken on drugs is more progressive still. We’re trailing behind massively

 

[BN9 BHA]

‘Druggies’ Does that cover anyone who’s ever used a drug? The drug alcohol? Barry who has a spliff once a month when he visits his mate and plays poker?

Do you ever win at Poker Baz?

 

[Seasidesage]

Same could be said for a lot of things. I'll let everyone's lurid imagination fill in the gaps. *cough* Glitter *cough*

No, the argument has to be based on risk benefit analysis.

The tide towards legalisation of cannabis is unlikely to turn (it will be legalized). Even the Isle of man has given up birching homosexuals.

But what will be next, if anything?

There is no such thing as the pejoritive entity 'drugs', though. Chemicals we ingest are drugs. I am a pharmacologist so I know of what I speak.

'War on drugs'

I think the 'drug culture' is exaggerated, though. Yes 95% of certain demographics are into it, balls deep, and in their echo chamber it will feel like everone is at it. But in other echo chambers there is equal certainty about resurrection, homosexuality and abortion being abominations, and drugs unavailable (even if they wanted some); take your pick.

I can tell you that in the pharmacology community there is total disinterest in legalising this or that. We see even pure drugs as risky. Why make clean heroin available? Have you never read Naked Lunch?

I would take more seriously the arguments of the pro legalization lobby if they weren't so nakedly 'me me me'. As a lapsed toofer, what's in it for me?

(and I'm looking at you, Swanny )

I don't see it as a me me me issue. I'm too old to be taking drugs other than my statins and other reminders of my age. However, my argument is not about the rights and wrongs of drug taking per se its purely the fact that prohibition is so clearly failing. It matters not what the chattering classes think really, a significant portion of the population buy and consume drugs on a regular basis, that's created a lucrative market and a void which gangsters have filled. As for pure drugs surely if the government controls the means of supply surely it controls the quality and quantity of the products?

 

[e77]

Agreed but absolutely zero evidence to suggest those that caused the issues were on x y or z. Don’t think it was that major incident given the occasion and amount of people but the press like to pick something to blow up. Scum fans broke in and injured people in a capacity crowd and that got next to no national attention.

There were people seen taking cocaine on Sky Sports News and the Met Police were embarrassed again. What actually caused the problem is irrelevant.

 

[holybanjo]

Out of a crowd of 30,000 that would be only 60 people. So of 90,000 that's 180. Read some of the stories online about Wembley even if you don't know what you're looking for at the Amex.

I would say VERY naïve.

Wembley was incomparable to anything I’ve ever seen at the Amex to be fair


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[Billy the Fish]

If people don't show discretion then they will prod the bear and the Police will get involved, which unfortunately will include the likes of me who enjoy a McDonalds breakfast on the Euston Road to perk themselves up on an away trip.

I think you're right about this. People took the piss so there's bound to be a bit of a backlash.

 

[Bakero]

How would that reduce crime committed by addicts to pay for drugs ? Or are you advocating ‘free’ drugs paid for by the taxpayer ?

Myriad ways:

1. It would be easier to identify addicts and help them get treatment. Addicts would be treated as patients, not criminals.
2. Removing the high risk, high profit market should cause prices to fall.
3. The number of addicts may well fall as no one trying to score some weed would be offered harder drugs.

I don't have all the answers and I'm not even sure that legalisation is the way to go. It certainly wouldn't be a panacea. However, it is clear that the status quo isn't working and isn't even evidence-based. To me it seems like the arguments in favour of decriminalisation/legalisation far outweigh the cons but any policy change needs to based on rigorous studies. Drugs are bad isn't an argument for criminalising swathes of the population whilst enriching/facilitating organised crime and causing untold violence around the world.

As for your second question, yes, I'd imagine state-funded heroin clinics are a very good idea. What's the downside?

 

[faoileán]

Yes, having noticed several of your posts, we’re definitely different. I assume anyone who plays the lottery or has a bet on the football are also judged by you And I’m not even sticking up for myself here, just reality

I would say, there won’t be many people you won’t judge based on your posts and you seem like you need to let your hair down a little and live and let live. I won’t say the ‘I bet you’re fun at parties’ line - but I’m close

All you actually know about me is that I have very strong opinions about cocaine and coke users. You sound like a decent enough sort of bloke (I could be wrong) but I don't know anything else about you apart from your insights on cocaine use.

 

[Sheebo]

All you actually know about me is that I have very strong opinions about cocaine and coke users. You sound like a decent enough sort of bloke (I could be wrong) but I don't know anything else about you apart from your insights on cocaine use.

My insights are I don’t do it but don’t feel it’s my place to judge anyone for what they do for kicks really I may be gettin you confused with another poster looking at your profile ol: Either way, it’s no big deal imo and easy to just get others without knowing Anything about their lives or addictions / non addictions.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well we're different then because I do judge people who ignore all the misery and death involved in the cocaine industry just for a buzz on a Saturday night.

I judge people who ignore the consequences of prohibition, in it's current form, as someone who advocates the perpetuation of the misery and death.

 

[herecomesaregular]

My insights are I don’t do it but don’t feel it’s my place to judge anyone for what they do for kicks really .

Don't most people say "aslong as it doesn't harm others"?

Now of course the come back can be "but you do x, y and Z" that causes harm to others - but I doubt any of those are so directly harmful to others as buying any drug that has likely come through a cartel in South America/North Africa/Middle East.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong.

for me, if drugs were either legal or could be safely home grown /made (like alcohol) then I would likely participate - as they aren't then I'm perfectly happy to "miss out" on their supposed benefits for my own peace of heart.

 

[Bakero]

Don't most people say "aslong as it doesn't harm others"?

Now of course the come back can be "but you do x, y and Z" that causes harm to others - but I doubt any of those are so directly harmful to others as buying any drug that has likely come through a cartel in South America/North Africa/Middle East.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong.

for me, if drugs were either legal or could be safely home grown /made (like alcohol) then I would likely participate - as they aren't then I'm perfectly happy to "miss out" on their supposed benefits for my own peace of heart.

Cocaine and heroin are off the menu then but most other drugs are fair game.

 

[White Fan man]

Cocaine and heroin are off the menu then but most other drugs are fair game.

Been to quite a few games overseas and what is very different to here is that foreign police use drug detection dogs near turnstiles. I haven't seen too much cocaine use by fans myself but have been next to fans who want to fight but weren't drunk, with glazed eyes. With these types it is always really minor things that set them off. Does cocaine make people more likely to act aggressive?

 

[herecomesaregular]

Cocaine and heroin are off the menu then but most other drugs are fair game.

I thought it was very hard to grow your own weed in the Uk (without big expense)? You can make your own ectasy?

 

[Bakero]

I thought it was very hard to grow your own weed in the Uk (without big expense)? You can make your own ectasy?

You can grow weed anywhere on earth. I know a guy that used to grow his own in the middle of a Sussex roundabout but I'd imagine you'd get better results if you invested in some lights. Yeah, you could make your own ecstasy if you had the right equipment and a recipe, which I'm sure you could find online. I don't recommend trying it unless you have a background in chemistry. Apparently, Crystal Meth is easier to manufacture and it's easier to get hold of the ingredients. I don't recommend trying that either

Magic mushrooms can be picked in fields around the country at the right time of year.

 

[Sheebo]

Do you ever win at Poker Baz?

Keep eating the chips thinking they’re Pringles.