[Drinking] Skiver wins tribunal

[Chicken Run]

But I think we're all in agreement on the key points:

He's seriously ill with COPD
He bunked off
He shouldn't be smoking
Lots of people with COPD do smoke anyway and it's hard to stop
He got caught bang to rights
Bit stupid of him getting caught
He got very lucky when the company nadged up the dismissal

Not sure about the hassle for his work colleagues picking up his slack though - someone else is getting paid for his shift if he's not.

Love from a proud work shirker who has bunked off down the pub on more than a couple of occasions (but not a malingerer! )

Just two points,

1. “Seriously ill ” and down the pub smoking and drinking [emoji1745]

2. Someone else is being paid for his shift? Is that what happens, someone calls in sick so they get the locum in to cover, nah in reality some poor sod has to cover his shit as well as their own [emoji23]


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[Deadly Danson]

I was once involved with sacking someone who had called in sick and had then been spotted watching Palace at Selhurst Park. (Of course this is a sacking offence on its own) And yes, he did put that ridiculous "I'm ill" voice when he called in sick so I had even less sympathy.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just two points,

1. “Seriously ill ” and down the pub smoking and drinking [emoji1745]

2. Someone else is being paid for his shift? Is that what happens, someone calls in sick so they get the locum in to cover, nah in reality some poor sod has to cover his shit as well as their own [emoji23]


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People can have underlying health conditions, which their employers know can cause illness which fluctuates. Sometimes they’re classed as ambulant disabled and this is taken into account when they’re employed.

Other healthy people who are as fit as fiddles think that people who have variable health conditions are skiving if they can’t manage five days a week for 48 weeks of the year.

Edit to add, I remember a boss back in the 70s boasting to all and sundry, he’d never had a day off sick in his working life (over 20 years at that point).
Less than a month later, he was laid out with a very painful slipped disc.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I was once involved with sacking someone who had called in sick and had then been spotted watching Palace at Selhurst Park. (Of course this is a sacking offence on its own) And yes, he did put that ridiculous "I'm ill" voice when he called in sick so I had even less sympathy.

Definitely a sacking offence.

 

[Chicken Run]

People can have underlying health conditions, which their employers know can cause illness which fluctuates. Sometimes they’re classed as ambulant disabled and this is taken into account when they’re employed.

Other healthy people who are as fit as fiddles think that people who have variable health conditions are skiving if they can’t manage five days a week for 48 weeks of the year.

Indeed and when they are caught down the pub drinking and smoking, it does nothing to help their case [emoji106]


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[CheeseRolls]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57411812

So this herbert calls in sick, then later that day gets clocked by a duty manager drinking outside a social club, claimed he was in bed ill all day but "only went down there for 15 minutes", gets the tin tack - but then wins his claim for unfair dismissal because there's nothing in his contract that states he can't go out pubbing when he's called in sick. AND he's in line to receive compensation from his previous employers.

Stop the planet please. I want to get off.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/man-spotted-pub-during-sick-leave-was-unfairly-dismissed/

I have no sympathy for the fella, but this one better explains why the dismissal failed.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

We didn’t have internet at home thirty years ago.

Blimey, you had some neck going out on a jolly back then, then. I have always been clearly on the side of the company.
Again I will bring it back to morals, mine wouldn't let me go out on a jolly if I was being paid for work and doing nothing.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

I had a boil on the crack of my arse once that was so large and painful I couldn't even sit down, let alone drive in to work. Didn't need to put a 'calling in sick' voice for that, but Fiona in HR thanked me for providing such a detailed account.

Turned out to be an ingrowing hair follicle. I wouldn't recommend it.

Sounds a right pain in the ass



Bet you wish you had a quid every time someone said that to you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Blimey, you had some neck going out on a jolly back then, then. I have always been clearly on the side of the company.
Again I will bring it back to morals, mine wouldn't let me go out on a jolly if I was being paid for work and doing nothing.

My supervisor and his boss were quite happy with my morals. It was a health condition not a prison sentence.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

My supervisor and his boss were quite happy with my morals. It was a health condition not a prison sentence.

Fair enough.

It's another one of those areas we see very differently.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Sounds a right pain in the ass



Bet you wish you had a quid every time someone said that to you.

Without going into specifics mate, I bet there are some lead swingers at your place of work

 

[MattBackHome]

"Morals"

He bunked off and went down the pub, no big deal.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Without going into specifics mate, I bet there are some lead swingers at your place of work

Not possible, especially part time workers work far longer hours for what they are paid for. All to satisfy the shareholders dont ya know.

 

[BNthree]

I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall for this first day back at work after that tribunal! Can't imagine him being particularly popular.

 

[southstandandy]

Years ago a lady in our office got signed off for 2 months with 'depression' stating she struggled to get out the house, then went on a 6 week round the world tour with her husband. We all saw the snaps she stupidly put on Facebook but the company I worked for back then didn't take any action. Pretty sure the management must have been aware but it seems some of these 'unfair dismissal' cases can be more costly than they're worth to the employers.

On full sick pay too.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Not possible, especially part time workers work far longer hours for what they are paid for. All to satisfy the shareholders dont ya know.

I think you had many good year's where you guys had some great benefits, like ample overtime and short days on full pay.
Hang on in there not long to go!

 

[Deleted member 2719]

"Morals"

He bunked off and went down the pub, no big deal.

Haha, become an employer and see how you feel when people steal from you and lie to you?

All employers want, is reliable and honest staff.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Fair enough.

It's another one of those areas we see very differently.

Thank goodness.

 

[maresfield seagull]

Haha, become an employer and see how you feel when people steal from you and lie to you?

All employers want, is reliable and honest staff.

That works the other way as well
Honest reliable bosses ‘

 

[wellquickwoody]

Employment contracts will have to be very lengthy if they need to list all the things you cannot do whilst off sick.

Hopefully too complicated. Why should a plumber not be able to go to the pub if he/she has a broken leg?