[Football] First female referee appointed in the EFL

[Springal]

Our great game used to be a contact sport , but these days it is getting more and more non contact , crikey you can`t even look at a keeper without giving a free kick away . I can see this as being another trigger that will see our game " sanitized " even further . I`m sorry but in my ideal world all male refs would have to have played at a decent level in order to ref a professional game , that way diving and time wasting would be picked up on , along with tackles such as Dales at Boro which anyone who has played the game would have seen for what it was . Similarly i believe female refs will bring too many discrepancies into the mens game that will inevitably have a long term negative effect .
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Couldn't disagree more. Commentators and pundits don't even know the laws of the game, so no way should they be fast tracked to referees. And can you really see ex-pros getting involved for the wages on offer? They'd earn more money on social media or doing other stuff than being a full time referee

 

[TugWilson]

No offense to either sex but she really can't be worse than some of the jokers already ref-ing in the Premier League already. A good time to bring the first female ref in therefore imo. Will be interesting to see a/ if the players swear as much around the decisions. The old **** offfffff! b/ how she responds to it (I'd prefer with warnings and yellow cards and then maybe the male refs can follow, but I doubt it).

This is what i am talking about , we all want to see 11 players stay on the pitch but before she has reffed her first game you are hoping for MORE cards to be shown because a man in a mans game says a naughty word , oh boy this is going to be fun !

 

[TugWilson]

Couldn't disagree more. Commentators and pundits don't even know the laws of the game, so no way should they be fast tracked to referees. And can you really see ex-pros getting involved for the wages on offer? They'd earn more money on social media or doing other stuff than being a full time referee

I didn`t say ex pros i said played at a decent level , in other words have at least some knowledge of tackles such as Dales , or are you a fan of incompetency through lack of experience .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Doomed to fail i fear . No not misogyny not sexism not blind criticism but too big a gap in behaviour and what is considered acceptable . We have all seen and more recently with empty grounds heard language used both at and around the ref that is part and parcle of the game . With a male ref it will go over his head and be allowed as long as it doesn`t cross the line , but with a female i can see the dissent rule dominating certain games . We have all seen and heard refs get called ALL the names under the sun in the heat of a game and the ref understands tensions are high and more often than not make allowances , i find it hard to believe that female refs would take it the same way .

Our great game used to be a contact sport , but these days it is getting more and more non contact , crikey you can`t even look at a keeper without giving a free kick away . I can see this as being another trigger that will see our game " sanitized " even further . I`m sorry but in my ideal world all male refs would have to have played at a decent level in order to ref a professional game , that way diving and time wasting would be picked up on , along with tackles such as Dales at Boro which anyone who has played the game would have seen for what it was . Similarly i believe female refs will bring too many discrepancies into the mens game that will inevitably have a long term negative effect .

Can anyone honestly say that before the Harrogate game the players will not be addressed pre game on language and general behaviour , some sort of instruction will be given that otherwise would not have been . It`s at this point that things have already started to change , watch the amount of cards for Dissent rise , i sincerely hope i am proven wrong for the sake of our game .

Do you think female police arrest more criminals because they swear, than their male colleagues?

 

[Springal]

I didn`t say ex pros i said played at a decent level , in other words have at least some knowledge of tackles such as Dales , or are you a fan of incompetency through lack of experience .

What is a decent level? If you see the Stephens challenge once, in real time it is still 50:50 what the decision is whether you've played or not

 

[JBizzle]

As long as she's a good ref, I'm not bothered at all, and if as a by-product the players become less awful towards officials then great.

Seeing that example of Darren Drysdale a few weeks ago, the whole respect campaign is a nonsense anyway. It's a side issue, but I'd still be booking players for some of the ways they talk to refs.

 

[TugWilson]

What is a decent level? If you see the Stephens challenge once, in real time it is still 50:50 what the decision is whether you've played or not

Southern and Northern Premier league standard should offer enough experience , and no lack of players from either to choose from . If you recall the Complete and Utter Shyster originally was showing a yellow card until being bullied and coerced into making it a red . A ref with the right experience would have got it right , many pundits ( ex players !!! ) said it wasn`t even a foul !

 

[MJsGhost]

I didn`t say ex pros i said played at a decent level , in other words have at least some knowledge of tackles such as Dales , or are you a fan of incompetency through lack of experience .

Do you think that the police (and lawyers, judges etc for that matter) are incompetent unless they used to be criminals?

Can doctors only competently treat cancer if they've had it?

 

[Springal]

Southern and Northern Premier league standard should offer enough experience , and no lack of players from either to choose from . If you recall the Complete and Utter Shyster originally was showing a yellow card until being bullied and coerced into making it a red . A ref with the right experience would have got it right , many pundits ( ex players !!! ) said it wasn`t even a foul !

There is nothing stopping players at that level getting into refereeing.

 

[TugWilson]

Do you think female police arrest more criminals because they swear, than their male colleagues?

Yes i do , after my daughter had a serious accident and all i wanted was for her to get to hospital in the ambulance , one of the accompanying wpcs threatened me with arrest if i swore again . All i had said as my daughter was virtually unconscious but pointlessly being asked for her details which i was trying to give but she was not in a fit state to , was just get her to ****ing hospital i will tell you her name ....unreasonable ?

 

[TugWilson]

There is nothing stopping players at that level getting into refereeing.

Who said there was ? you asked me a question and i answered it the best i could

 

[TugWilson]

Do you think that the police (and lawyers, judges etc for that matter) are incompetent unless they used to be criminals?

Can doctors only competently treat cancer if they've had it?

That`s a ridiculous comparison , i am talking about contact sport where there is an opportunity to feign injury for profit or just con the ref . You are talking about a completely different type of skill sets .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes i do , after my daughter had a serious accident and all i wanted was for her to get to hospital in the ambulance , one of the accompanying wpcs threatened me with arrest if i swore again . All i had said as my daughter was virtually unconscious but pointlessly being asked for her details which i was trying to give but she was not in a fit state to , was just get her to ****ing hospital i will tell you her name ....unreasonable ?

Stating the obvious, you were warned to calm down, not arrested.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

This is what i am talking about , we all want to see 11 players stay on the pitch but before she has reffed her first game you are hoping for MORE cards to be shown because a man in a mans game says a naughty word , oh boy this is going to be fun !

Rugby players keep a lid on it so why can’t footballers? You can’t tell me rugby is not a man game ...


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[kjgood]

Doomed to fail i fear . No not misogyny not sexism not blind criticism but too big a gap in behaviour and what is considered acceptable . We have all seen and more recently with empty grounds heard language used both at and around the ref that is part and parcle of the game . With a male ref it will go over his head and be allowed as long as it doesn`t cross the line , but with a female i can see the dissent rule dominating certain games . We have all seen and heard refs get called ALL the names under the sun in the heat of a game and the ref understands tensions are high and more often than not make allowances , i find it hard to believe that female refs would take it the same way .

Our great game used to be a contact sport , but these days it is getting more and more non contact , crikey you can`t even look at a keeper without giving a free kick away . I can see this as being another trigger that will see our game " sanitized " even further . I`m sorry but in my ideal world all male refs would have to have played at a decent level in order to ref a professional game , that way diving and time wasting would be picked up on , along with tackles such as Dales at Boro which anyone who has played the game would have seen for what it was . Similarly i believe female refs will bring too many discrepancies into the mens game that will inevitably have a long term negative effect .

Can anyone honestly say that before the Harrogate game the players will not be addressed pre game on language and general behaviour , some sort of instruction will be given that otherwise would not have been . It`s at this point that things have already started to change , watch the amount of cards for Dissent rise , i sincerely hope i am proven wrong for the sake of our game .

Sorry this is going to be a bit of a rant but this thought stream is so outdated and for me unwanted. I have worked within the prison system for 23 years, not on the landings but close enough to know exactly what happens. In the prison I work in probably half of the discipline officers are female, believe me they have skills that male officers do not have in defusing situations that if a male was to intervene it would all kick off. Another post mentioned ''Meatheads squaring up to each other'' and suggested a woman referee would be scared of intervening, try stopping a female officer from getting involved in a rumble between several roidhead prisoners, the ladies are in there as fast of the male officers.

I think you really are underestimating the female of today by insinuating that they would be put off by or wouldn't understand a bit of bad language or posturing by some of the male ego's on the field (My words not yours), believe me some of the ''Ladies'' I work with are more scary than some of the men.

If the current standard of refereeing is based on male refs having played a decent standard of football then they should be embarrassed by some of the recent performances (Milawd I cite Brighton V Man Utd - Brighton V West Brom). Yes no doubt there will be some mindless idiots on social media raising the subject of ''A woman cant be a good referee'' but they already raise this about referees that are male and of colour, or gay,or from a town near to the teams playing etc.etc.

The rules/laws of the game are quite clear and can interpreted by both males and females alike, to suggest the opposite is outdated and sexist. BTW I am male and not a particular woman's rights activist.

 

[banjo]

Good luck to her. She looks fit in a fit way not a fit way if you know what I mean. Which is a bonus.

 

[schmunk]

Our great game used to be a contact sport , but these days it is getting more and more non contact , crikey you can`t even look at a keeper without giving a free kick away . I can see this as being another trigger that will see our game " sanitized " even further .

Yet...

You do seem rather exercised by this news - is it really that much of a shock or concern...?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Doomed to fail i fear . No not misogyny not sexism not blind criticism but too big a gap in behaviour and what is considered acceptable . We have all seen and more recently with empty grounds heard language used both at and around the ref that is part and parcle of the game . With a male ref it will go over his head and be allowed as long as it doesn`t cross the line , but with a female i can see the dissent rule dominating certain games . We have all seen and heard refs get called ALL the names under the sun in the heat of a game and the ref understands tensions are high and more often than not make allowances , i find it hard to believe that female refs would take it the same way .

Our great game used to be a contact sport , but these days it is getting more and more non contact , crikey you can`t even look at a keeper without giving a free kick away . I can see this as being another trigger that will see our game " sanitized " even further . I`m sorry but in my ideal world all male refs would have to have played at a decent level in order to ref a professional game , that way diving and time wasting would be picked up on , along with tackles such as Dales at Boro which anyone who has played the game would have seen for what it was . Similarly i believe female refs will bring too many discrepancies into the mens game that will inevitably have a long term negative effect .

Can anyone honestly say that before the Harrogate game the players will not be addressed pre game on language and general behaviour , some sort of instruction will be given that otherwise would not have been . It`s at this point that things have already started to change , watch the amount of cards for Dissent rise , i sincerely hope i am proven wrong for the sake of our game .

What a load of utter shit.

If, ironically, it takes a female ref to actually have the balls to uphold the laws of the game, as they are written and intended (on the subjects of foul and abusive language, and of dissent) then all credit to her.

Don't blame her for the 'discrepancy' in officiating - that's on those before her who have seen fit to ignore laws of their choosing, to avoid having to deal with it.

Foul and abusive language is (should be) very easy to ref:
Example 1: Player skies an open goal, swears at himself. Ignore it / have a quiet word next time you're within earshot.
Example 2: Player swears, with aggression at an opponent. Issue a warning, and leave at that unless repeated.
Example 3: Player swears directly AT the ref. Straight red. No discussion. Shameful that they've let the likes of Rooney get away with that kind of thing for so long. In doing so, they've made their jobs, and those of every ref, at every level, that bit harder.

 

[TugWilson]

Sorry this is going to be a bit of a rant but this thought stream is so outdated and for me unwanted. I have worked within the prison system for 23 years, not on the landings but close enough to know exactly what happens. In the prison I work in probably half of the discipline officers are female, believe me they have skills that male officers do not have in defusing situations that if a male was to intervene it would all kick off. Another post mentioned ''Meatheads squaring up to each other'' and suggested a woman referee would be scared of intervening, try stopping a female officer from getting involved in a rumble between several roidhead prisoners, the ladies are in there as fast of the male officers.

I think you really are underestimating the female of today by insinuating that they would be put off by or wouldn't understand a bit of bad language or posturing by some of the male ego's on the field (My words not yours), believe me some of the ''Ladies'' I work with are more scary than some of the men.

If the current standard of refereeing is based on male refs having played a decent standard of football then they should be embarrassed by some of the recent performances (Milawd I cite Brighton V Man Utd - Brighton V West Brom). Yes no doubt there will be some mindless idiots on social media raising the subject of ''A woman cant be a good referee'' but they already raise this about referees that are male and of colour, or gay,or from a town near to the teams playing etc.etc.

The rules/laws of the game are quite clear and can interpreted by both males and females alike, to suggest the opposite is outdated and sexist. BTW I am male and not a particular woman's rights activist.

For " rant " read spot on , i agree with every word you say , but i am often criticized as taking things too literally . My comments are based " literally " on what i witness week in week out , they most definitely do not express my opinion of a woman`s abilities . It is not the change in sex of the referee i have a problem with but the ( imho ) expected new guidelines that almost inevitably will come with such a change . We have seen many changes over the years , some work some don`t , female referees will work only if nothing has to be changed in order for it to work or it will become change for changes sake . Some have stated Rugby as an example for more respect and less swearing , i agree , but this thread ( as i took it literally ) was about female refs not female refs plus this that and any other change that can be shoehorned in . Those changes should be made seperately and regardless of the gender of the ref .

 

[herecomesaregular]

This is what i am talking about , we all want to see 11 players stay on the pitch but before she has reffed her first game you are hoping for MORE cards to be shown because a man in a mans game says a naughty word , oh boy this is going to be fun !

I wasn't talking about foul language per se, couldn't care less about that, rather abuse directed specifically at the ref, which as mentioned by several others has increased massively over the years and is not present in other "man's games". It's appalling that referees haven't had "the balls" to stand up to it. I'm interested to see if the players direct it at her and how she may deal with it.

Out of interest, I don't watch it, but can anyone comment on how refs are treated in the Women's game?