GT49er
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[News] 1% Pay Rise for Nurses.
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Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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We spaffed 43 Bn on Test and Trace that didn't work - that money must have come from somewhere, and many people argue Brexit is still worth the 200bn and counting, probably the same people who now argue we cant afford to pay our Nurses - go figure...
Mental Lental
Well-known member
Yep, I'm kind of "meh" about this. Totally par for the course. And there are definitely some posters on this thread posting faux outrage who went into that ballot box over the last few general elections and purposely voted to make nurses poorer.
Disingenuous at best.
Also can I assume she means in real terms? If that's the case the perspective here is the private sector pay has gone down 15% in real terms.
We can argue the virtues of both figures and we all deserve more but that's the reality of the economic picture for the majority.
It is easy to find someone who is struggling to pay bills and going without meals and so on and play the narrative that their pay is too low, however the full circumstances are normally not given. I always take such sensationalist reporting with a huge pinch of salt. What is worse is when it is used by a public servant like a MP.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,169
I agree that no-one walked into the ballot box purposely to make nurses poorer.
But equally it has come to no surprised that the Tories spaffed billions on a track and trace system (which by the sounds of it put plenty of pounds in the pockets of their cronies) and are now crying poor when it comes to paying the nurses that everyone was clapping for not so long ago.
Although no-one voted specifically for this situation, I cannot imagine that many voters (tory or otherwise) are surprised at how this has played out.
As far as I can see you get what you vote for,
I guess people must see the positives of voting Tory but I am afraid it is lost on me.
Rupert Murdoch certainly seems to be able to back a winner though.
Mental Lental
Well-known member
No no, I think you misunderstood me. I am saying that people DID walk into the ballot box to make nurses poorer. By voting Tory, they deliberately did so. Now, they may not have realised that that is what they were doing as most Tory voters are in denial about such things. Nevertheless, a large swathe of the country went and voted for this Boris government and are now in denial about being active perpetuators of this scandal.
It sticks in my craw.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,169
Billions on track and trace?
That again is sensationalist rubbish as most hasn't been spent but has been budgeted for throughout 20/21 and mostly for testing not tracking. The ramping up of the testing has meant more spending.
I totally agree about cash for the cronies and they need to be held to account. Up to now 7bn has been spent of which around 600m on the useless track and trace so 6.4bn on testing. Obviously there's loads of other nice contracts handed out that need accounting for.
A further 16bn from this month until the end of the year but with such a successful vaccine rollout this is unlikely to be so high.
The fact is most of the money has been for testing already or in the future. This is what everyone was screaming out for and has a huge cost associated to it.
I endeavour to hold people to account to satisfy myself, so try to find the best evidence out there not Headlines from any news organisations, I find it best.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,169
Seems to be a lot of figures doing the rounds about this. I must admit to not looking into this fully. Would be interested in a link or two if you have the time to share.
I had a quick squiz at this to get the billions I referred to? https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...udget-small-print_uk_60412920c5b601179ec35d4a Even with the part that is going to be spent this year and next, it is billions?
This is a populist Government who will u-turn over this very soon and rightly so. The only area they dig their feet in is against the EU and when protecting their ‘own’ like Patel & Williamson.
However, I’m more interested in how we pay for the increase. The Government will probably just borrow more unaware that the British public would be more than happy for a small tax rise to fund this particular pay rise for their heroes.
The phrase ‘out of touch’ doesn’t begin to describe this pathetic bunch.
However, I’m more interested in how we pay for the increase. The Government will probably just borrow more unaware that the British public would be more than happy for a small tax rise to fund this particular pay rise for their heroes.
The phrase ‘out of touch’ doesn’t begin to describe this pathetic bunch.
I've just moved off my computer onto the ipad, I'll happily share in the morning. I'm certainly not defending anyone on it bit as I posted a thread a few weeks ago about the media in this country hellbent on negative crap all the time, I now attempt to delve into all the sensationalist tripe. I've spent hours tonight looking at the Meghan rubbish so at least a can form an opinion (not sure why I bothered)
But yes it is billions but on the testing mainly and this is what we were all screaming for. The full covid test costs the government about £80 each the lateral £30 though a cheaper £5 is coming through. Nearly 5 million full tests a week now. So that's £80x500000x42weeks(left in 2021)=£16.8bn, so the 17bn from now isn't far off
Think you might have quoted the wrong post.....?
A quick scan of this thread and I see the usual names arguing with anyone and everyone, defending the indefensible and making it all about them. Anyone who thinks a 1% pay rise isn't a massive slap in the face for NHS staff and the nation as a whole is frankly, a wrong 'un. However, from this despicable and shameless government, it was depressingly predictable.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
I shared this earlier in the thread.
There does seem to be a lot of ridiculous misinformation about track and trace, to the point where many people on Twitter believe we paid £22 billion for an app.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
They're now processing a mind boggling number of tests on a daily basis. There must be a huge amount of infrastructure and manpower to make that work. I've no doubt that some people are riding the gravy train but implementing a huge system as quickly as this is always going to sacrifice a level of efficiency. This venn diagram springs to mind, you can only pick 2 options.
Southern Scouse
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- Jul 21, 2011
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Just about to jump on my high horse and have not read the whole thread due to driving an ambulance up and down the country.
If you go on a ward 90% of the staff are HSA’s the rest nurses and on duty doctors. Most of the 90% earn less than 20k, the nurses will be on about 25k.
The ambulance service is divided into two parts, Front line, Paramedics, techs and emergency ambulance care assistants. These ppl go on blue light, they usually have first contact with emergency covid contact, but then they move on to the next job. These ppl earn between 25k and 45k
The second part of the service PTS, managed hospital transfers, and transport to and from nursing homes and hospital. Over 80% of all covid, TB, MSRA patients are dealt with by these crews with inferior PPE equipment (Than front line) on a daily basis. That’s my area, I did not have leave for 9 months last year nor did my colleagues unless we got covid which we nearly all did. Most of us earn about 20k.
I now see that tax credit receivers will get a £500 bonus... and furlough will continue until September.
We now see NHS nurses and hospital staff will get a 1% pay rise, although I’m not sure if Ambulance staff are included in that.
My colleagues and I did our job, we did not query whether or not we should put our families or our health first, we just did our job.
1% is not just, not fair and definitely not funny.
If you go on a ward 90% of the staff are HSA’s the rest nurses and on duty doctors. Most of the 90% earn less than 20k, the nurses will be on about 25k.
The ambulance service is divided into two parts, Front line, Paramedics, techs and emergency ambulance care assistants. These ppl go on blue light, they usually have first contact with emergency covid contact, but then they move on to the next job. These ppl earn between 25k and 45k
The second part of the service PTS, managed hospital transfers, and transport to and from nursing homes and hospital. Over 80% of all covid, TB, MSRA patients are dealt with by these crews with inferior PPE equipment (Than front line) on a daily basis. That’s my area, I did not have leave for 9 months last year nor did my colleagues unless we got covid which we nearly all did. Most of us earn about 20k.
I now see that tax credit receivers will get a £500 bonus... and furlough will continue until September.
We now see NHS nurses and hospital staff will get a 1% pay rise, although I’m not sure if Ambulance staff are included in that.
My colleagues and I did our job, we did not query whether or not we should put our families or our health first, we just did our job.
1% is not just, not fair and definitely not funny.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
A friend of mine works at the Children’s hospital in Brighton. They’ve been told they can’t roll over unused leave now.
Another slap in the face when they’ve all given so much.
This government wants the NHS to struggle so they can privatise it by stealth.
Oh look, we can improve this bit by doing such and such, which all sounds very appealing and logical, but several years down the line, you no longer have a national health service.
banjo
GOSBTS
Thanks Boris.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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No I was adding on to your post in reply to the earlier one. Hope that makes sense, well it did last night
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,393
no one does, they get their diet of news from twitter and tabloids and dont look at any details. so people end up believe 22bbn was given to one company for an app, when in fact it went to >200 and mostly spent on testing. read the audit https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...d-trace-in-England-interim-report-Summary.pdf