[Football] This Dishonesty About No Longer Wanting To Go To Football Due To VAR

[dazzer6666]

Firstly, the OP can do one for deciding that he knows best what people think, feel and do. Just a total nonsense of a way to open a discussion. Worthy of the Combover Caligula himself. If anyone disagrees with my view just dismiss it as 'fake news' or 'Dishonesty'. Terrible state of affairs.

To me VAR was a good idea that has been implemented appallingly, (is there worse than appallingly? If so . . . That!). The problem VAR intended to solve, namely that refs sometimes make mistakes and/or miss stuff was a worthy one IMHO. The trouble is it has not solved this problem, it would be easy to argue it has made it worse. Now we have a massive time delay on everything and decisions are STILL being made incorrectly. Couple this with VAR finding and 'fixing' decisions that didn't need to be fixed and you have one almighty **** up that IS ruining the game as a spectacle.

Questionable decisions occasionally affected the outcomes of games. This needed to be fixed. Now that fix means that way more outcomes are affected by questionable decisions by VAR.

To me, it is not VAR per see that needs to go. It just needs to be implemented in a far far far better way. If they can't improve its implementation then get rid of it as in its current guise it has made the problem it was trying to solve, significantly worse.

That.

 

[Sheebo]

I don’t think it’s a reason to stop going - personally can never ever stop going. But I do think it’s ****ing shit and ruining the game... so not sure what camp I’m in here!

 

[Sheebo]

VAR definitely wouldn’t stop me going to the Amex, especially if I could go with my family, friends and 30,000 others.
I wouldn’t like to guess when this will happen again

May

 

[Sheebo]

Especially now the PGMOL have admitted VAR got the Southampton decision wrong, and the original decision of a free kick just outside the area was right.

Brighton are now a point missing, although Saints might have score from the free kick of course.

What’s PGMOL and do you have a link to admission pls?!

 

[atomised]

What’s PGMOL and do you have a link to admission pls?!

Professional game match officials limited. Apparently confirmed it to Potter who in turn relayed that to the argus. There was an article on the 11th but linking it is proving an issue
I searched PGMOL Brighton and found it

Personally if a governing body is confirming a decision was made incorrectly by a system that is supposed to rid the game of errors then that system needs a major rethink

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What’s PGMOL and do you have a link to admission pls?!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theargus.co.uk/sport/18936617.amp/

 

[Sheebo]

Professional game match officials limited. Apparently confirmed it to Potter who in turn relayed that to the argus. There was an article on the 11th but linking it is proving an issue
I searched PGMOL Brighton and found it

Personally if a governing body is confirming a decision was made incorrectly by a system that is supposed to rid the game of errors then that system needs a major rethink

And yet there were still a handful on NSC who told us it was a pen

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don’t think it’s a reason to stop going - personally can never ever stop going. But I do think it’s ****ing shit and ruining the game... so not sure what camp I’m in here!

I think this is [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] ‘s point [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION], those that have the club running through their veins from the earliest moments of their lives aren’t going to stop going because VAR is shit. Those maybe not Brighton born and bred, for whatever reason maybe are already looking for reasons not to go, VAR might be a convenient vehicle for throwing some toys out of the pram while really life’s priorities and other pressures was already forcing their hand. I can see that point, hence my post about coffins and nails: maybe some of us only need 5 or 6 nails and we can’t get the lid off, some people can take 14 or 15 and still get it off.

 

[Skaville]

Brighton games where VAR has been the star of the show this season:

Albion 2 Man Utd 3
- we have a penalty controversially overturned by VAR, another not given after going to VAR and then a penalty awarded against us after the final whistle (correct decision)

Palace 1 Albion 1
- Palace get a penalty for a blatant dive. VAR fails to intervene

Spurs 2 Albion 1
- Kane “wins” a penalty on the edge of the box by making a back for Lallana. Our goal blatantly should not have stood as March committed a clear foul in the build up

Villa 1 Albion 2
An elbow to the throat entirely missed by VAR, then the last minute Villa penalty is overturned as a clear and obvious error.

Albion 1 Liverpool 1
Welbeck gets a very soft penalty after minimal contact from Robertson

Albion 1 Southampton 2
VAR overturns the on field ruling of a free kick and awards a match winning penalty.

That’s six out of eleven games where it’s been a significant, if not THE major talking point. It had a major influence on the result in five of the six games (I’ll ignore Spurs). Games are being settled by a man watching TV miles away. I can accept the Palace one, as VAR probably correctly didn’t intervene, reducing that to four games and I bet there is more I’ve forgotten.

It has a major part to play but something isn’t right. Personally I think the on field ref should have more influence.

 

[Sheebo]

I think this is [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] ‘s point [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION], those that have the club running through their veins from the earliest moments of their lives aren’t going to stop going because VAR is shit. Those maybe not Brighton born and bred, for whatever reason maybe are already looking for reasons not to go, VAR might be a convenient vehicle for throwing some toys out of the pram while really life’s priorities and other pressures was already forcing their hand. I can see that point, hence my post about coffins and nails: maybe some of us only need 5 or 6 nails and we can’t get the lid off, some people can take 14 or 15 and still get it off.

Yep. I don’t think many will stop going to games because of it but I’ve heard loads say similar things - happens all the time with fickle football fans - 90% of them will still go, so OP has a point. It’s those struggling to deal with how shit VAR is and struggling to articulate their hatred of it that say they won’t go anymore. Also, I think it’s a combination of this awful year and so long away from the Amex - we’ll be selling out every game at full capacity as usual - as soon as we’re allowed to.

 

[herecomesaregular]

I think this is [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] ‘s point [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION], those that have the club running through their veins from the earliest moments of their lives aren’t going to stop going because VAR is shit. Those maybe not Brighton born and bred, for whatever reason maybe are already looking for reasons not to go, VAR might be a convenient vehicle for throwing some toys out of the pram while really life’s priorities and other pressures was already forcing their hand. I can see that point, hence my post about coffins and nails: maybe some of us only need 5 or 6 nails and we can’t get the lid off, some people can take 14 or 15 and still get it off.

Absolute crock of shit, superfan rubbish.

I've been watching since 14 and love the Albion, have always watched us in all divisions and will always watch us (I really don't care much about who we're playing and in what league) - but I'm tempted to bin the season ticket until such times that VAR is gone or VAR is radically improved (ie it's involvement reduced) or we get relegated (sorry Tony).

edit - as an armchair fan watching non Albion games I'm only mildly irritated by VAR as I don't really care about the teams, so I imagine the majority of the TV audience may be the same? Which might means VAR stays, sadly, as it's the non-partisan, casual watchers that it's all about now

 

[Bold Seagull]

Absolute crock of shit, superfan rubbish.

I've been watching since 14 and love the Albion, have always watched us in all divisions and will always watch us (I really don't care much about who we're playing and in what league) - but I'm tempted to bin the season ticket until such times that VAR is gone or VAR is radically improved (ie it's involvement reduced) or we get relegated (sorry Tony).

edit - as an armchair fan watching non Albion games I'm only mildly irritated by VAR as I don't really care about the teams, so I imagine the majority of the TV audience may be the same? Which might means VAR stays, sadly, as it's the non-partisan, casual watchers that it's all about now

I’m in the binning off my ST too camp! I’m only relating to the OP’s point. You or I can relinquish our STs because of a certain number of nails, VAR being the crucial one. I’m reaching my limit, but others aren’t. Don’t think that’s about being a ‘super fan’, perhaps that’s your own sensitivities, I think it’s about how much you can tolerate.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I think this is [MENTION=205]Tom Hark, Preston Park[/MENTION] ‘s point [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION], those that have the club running through their veins from the earliest moments of their lives aren’t going to stop going because VAR is shit. Those maybe not Brighton born and bred, for whatever reason maybe are already looking for reasons not to go, VAR might be a convenient vehicle for throwing some toys out of the pram while really life’s priorities and other pressures was already forcing their hand. I can see that point, hence my post about coffins and nails: maybe some of us only need 5 or 6 nails and we can’t get the lid off, some people can take 14 or 15 and still get it off.

Blimey, that is as ridiculous as the OP.

Edit; just seen your post above. Still think you are wrong though. This issue is grey. It’s not so black and white that you can pidgeon hole people who think a certain way.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Blimey, that is as ridiculous as the OP.

We’ll find out in March/April in terms of renewal numbers v number not renewing.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

We’ll find out in March/April in terms of renewal numbers v number not renewing.

We won’t find out whether the people not renewing are ‘Brighton born and bred’

 

[Bodian]

Brighton games where VAR has been the star of the show this season:

Albion 2 Man Utd 3
- we have a penalty controversially overturned by VAR, another not given after going to VAR and then a penalty awarded against us after the final whistle (correct decision)

Palace 1 Albion 1
- Palace get a penalty for a blatant dive. VAR fails to intervene

Spurs 2 Albion 1
- Kane “wins” a penalty on the edge of the box by making a back for Lallana. Our goal blatantly should not have stood as March committed a clear foul in the build up

Villa 1 Albion 2
An elbow to the throat entirely missed by VAR, then the last minute Villa penalty is overturned as a clear and obvious error.

Albion 1 Liverpool 1
Welbeck gets a very soft penalty after minimal contact from Robertson

Albion 1 Southampton 2
VAR overturns the on field ruling of a free kick and awards a match winning penalty.

That’s six out of eleven games where it’s been a significant, if not THE major talking point. It had a major influence on the result in five of the six games (I’ll ignore Spurs). Games are being settled by a man watching TV miles away. I can accept the Palace one, as VAR probably correctly didn’t intervene, reducing that to four games and I bet there is more I’ve forgotten.

It has a major part to play but something isn’t right. Personally I think the on field ref should have more influence.

Don't ignore Spurs - as we should have had a penalty when Trossard was held back in the box at a crucial time in the game. Something that VAR was meant to see and act on.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Blimey, that is as ridiculous as the OP.

Edit; just seen your post above. Still think you are wrong though. This issue is grey. It’s not so black and white that you can pidgeon hole people who think a certain way.

Agree! We all have different tolerances. Like I said one persons enough is enough is another persons I’m still going no matter what. It’s like people who drive to home games from 3 hours away or more, others would just stop going rather than make that journey. We all have levels of how much inconvenience we’ll take before we give it up. Of course that is the same going back to those prepared to travel to Gillingham and those where that inconvenience was just too much and other responsibilities in life are more important. Life choices doing necessarily mean the person doing the traveling is a better than the fan who can’t.

 

[Bold Seagull]

We won’t find out whether the people not renewing are ‘Brighton born and bred’

That was a choice of phrase based on that supposed mystical allegiance criteria. You’re right we won’t, but I think we know we have a lot of fans where BHAFC isn’t the be all and end all as it is for some.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Agree! We all have different tolerances. Like I said one persons enough is enough is another persons I’m still going no matter what. It’s like people who drive to home games from 3 hours away or more, others would just stop going rather than make that journey. We all have levels of how much inconvenience we’ll take before we give it up. Of course that is the same going back to those prepared to travel to Gillingham and those where that inconvenience was just too much and other responsibilities in life are more important. Life choices doing necessarily mean the person doing the traveling is a better than the fan who can’t.

We had ST at Gillingham, we have travelled 3 hours for home games for years and now it’s more like four and a half. None of that diminished/diminishes my appetite for the Albion. VAR has me wondering, that’s all. It is a big deal and that’s a fact. If others are even further down that road then questioning their motives or allegiance is just wrong.

That was a choice of phrase based on that supposed mystical allegiance criteria. You’re right we won’t, but I think we know we have a lot of fans where BHAFC isn’t the be all and end all as it is for some.

That was the bit I was responding to. I am Mid Sussex born and bred. Growing up 10 miles further South wouldn’t have made any difference to my support for the Albion.

 

[Bold Seagull]

We had ST at Gillingham, we have travelled 3 hours for home games for years and now it’s more like four and a half. None of that diminished/diminishes my appetite for the Albion. VAR has me wondering, that’s all. It is a big deal and that’s a fact. If others are even further down that road then questioning their motives or allegiance is just wrong.



That was the bit I was responding to. I am Mid Sussex born and bred. Growing up 10 miles further South wouldn’t have made any difference to my support for the Albion.

But in your heart Brighton born and bred - that’s kind of what I meant. It’s not challenging allegiance in my opinion, one persons prepared to do a 6hour round trip over another’s not going to do it isn’t to decide who has more allegiance than another - one is prepared to tolerate that inconvenience, one isn’t.