[Cricket] Bitter celebration

[Curious Orange]

Being sprayed with beer, and drinking it, are two different things.

One may get you intoxicated, the other won't.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Luckily for you, Muslims won't touch gammon.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If you say so. My leading comment?

I would expect less condemnatory allegations from a mod.

You did, though, didn't you, though

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Righto! Another chance for the serially offended to get offended...again. What's wrong with a simple apology if it bothered the player? No, they have to embark on a club wide diversity education program ffs. And the picture I've seen show him hardly being sprayed, a tiny bit of an inadvertent splash.

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Indeed. I think it rather rude of fifth column to accuse the OP of being serially offended. [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] seems to be a very relaxed sort of chap

 

[Questions]

Non alcoholic Champagne is the answer

 

[Eeyore]

Well done you

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You'll need to hand out a lot of those as most folk have other's considerations in hand.

 

[Eeyore]

If you say so. My leading comment?

I would expect less condemnatory allegations from a mod.

So your 'Lineker Lodge' thread was a genuine suggestion that most folk should do the same thing ?

 

[Nibbler]

This sort of thread only Fosters bad blood between these woke-minded individuals and the rest of us. I would nip it in the Bud.

 

[Killer Whale]

Was the Muslim cricketer right to be offended, in the sense that his religious beliefs were not being respected? That seems to me to be a relevant question.

As far as I can see, there is no prohibition in the Koran or any Hadith against having alcohol sprayed over a Muslim willingly, let alone unknowingly. It isn't haram.

Drinking it certainly is:

"Narrated Abu 'Abdur-Rahman As-Sulami: that 'Ali bin Abi Talib said: "'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf prepared some food for which he invited us, and he gave us some wine to drink. The wine began to affect us when it was time for Salat. So they encouraged me (to lead) and I recited: 'Say: O you disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship, and we worship what we worship' - so Allah, Most High, revealed: O you who believe! Do not approach Salat when you are in a drunken state until you know what you are saying (4:43)."[17]

(Chapters of Tafsir Vol.5 Book 44 Hadith No. 3026).

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware."

Koran 5 : 90-92

There is disagreement as to the punishment for drinking it, though. Some scholars prescribe twenty lashes, others say it must be forty.

But I can't see anything about how many lashes you get for getting it inadvertently sprayed over you by a Kufr cricket team mate.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Luckily for you, Muslims won't touch gammon.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

The celebrations were entirely normal and traditional. Rather than the whole team changing step to fit in with the one, perhaps the tolerance should go the other way. The player can't have not been aware of the form the celebrations would take - he could have distanced himself and not taken part, for instance.
This can't have been the first time a Muslim sportsman has been involved with a team that's won a trophy - how did they handle it, without it becoming an issue?

Thats not really how teamwork goes.

 

[yxee]

Rather than find the answer in a religious book all you need to know is did it make your teammate unconformable, if so, why not try to avoid it in the future. What if someone didn't like getting champagne in their face for some other reason, maybe they have a phobia. What would you do, spray it on them and say "this is how we celebrate, get used to it" ?

This has nothing to do with religion or culture. It's just about being considerate and trying to avoid making other people uncomfortable

 

[GT49er]

Thats not really how teamwork goes.

You're right, it isn't. Teamwork is about the team after all, not the individual.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Was the Muslim cricketer right to be offended, in the sense that his religious beliefs were not being respected? That seems to me to be a relevant question.

As far as I can see, there is no prohibition in the Koran or any Hadith against having alcohol sprayed over a Muslim willingly, let alone unknowingly. It isn't haram.

Drinking it certainly is:

"Narrated Abu 'Abdur-Rahman As-Sulami: that 'Ali bin Abi Talib said: "'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf prepared some food for which he invited us, and he gave us some wine to drink. The wine began to affect us when it was time for Salat. So they encouraged me (to lead) and I recited: 'Say: O you disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship, and we worship what we worship' - so Allah, Most High, revealed: O you who believe! Do not approach Salat when you are in a drunken state until you know what you are saying (4:43)."[17]

(Chapters of Tafsir Vol.5 Book 44 Hadith No. 3026).

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware."

Koran 5 : 90-92

There is disagreement as to the punishment for drinking it, though. Some scholars prescribe twenty lashes, others say it must be forty.

But I can't see anything about how many lashes you get for getting it inadvertently sprayed over you by a Kufr cricket team mate.

There's nothing I like more in the evening than an unnecessarily scholarly lecture in race relations from a Yorkshireman,

 

[Chicken Run]

There's nothing I like more in the evening than an unnecessarily scholarly lecture in race relations from a Yorkshireman,

#playtheballnottheplayer
#regionbigot


Edit, is Muslim a race?

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[Eeyore]

Was the Muslim cricketer right to be offended, in the sense that his religious beliefs were not being respected? That seems to me to be a relevant question.

As far as I can see, there is no prohibition in the Koran or any Hadith against having alcohol sprayed over a Muslim willingly, let alone unknowingly. It isn't haram.

Drinking it certainly is:

"Narrated Abu 'Abdur-Rahman As-Sulami: that 'Ali bin Abi Talib said: "'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf prepared some food for which he invited us, and he gave us some wine to drink. The wine began to affect us when it was time for Salat. So they encouraged me (to lead) and I recited: 'Say: O you disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship, and we worship what we worship' - so Allah, Most High, revealed: O you who believe! Do not approach Salat when you are in a drunken state until you know what you are saying (4:43)."[17]

(Chapters of Tafsir Vol.5 Book 44 Hadith No. 3026).

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

Satan only wants to cause between you animosity and hatred through intoxicants and gambling and to avert you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. So will you not desist?

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware."

Koran 5 : 90-92

There is disagreement as to the punishment for drinking it, though. Some scholars prescribe twenty lashes, others say it must be forty.

But I can't see anything about how many lashes you get for getting it inadvertently sprayed over you by a Kufr cricket team mate.

Nothing to suggest he was offended. Just made to feel a little difficult.

Alistair Cook set a good example with Mo Ali on this one. All ended well.

 

[Eeyore]

Agreed, he looks absolutely horrified but what is happening to him.


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Alternatively, he could be trying to fit in without causing a stir or making the players feel difficult.

I really think it's simple. Just try and make folk feel comfortable and respect harmless tradition, of which abstinence is one, not just for Muslims.

 

[albionalbino]

What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?

 

[The Merry Prankster]

You're right, it isn't. Teamwork is about the team after all, not the individual.

I guess you're a great team leader

 

[GT49er]

I guess you're a great team leader

Guess away. Your guess is irrelevant anyway.