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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,991
John Sopel tonight on the news at 6..... " Trump's Press Secretary said " The Media have twisted his words "
 






Jim Van Winkle

Well-known member
Jul 14, 2010
3,125
Hawaii
Again just my speculation but I also believe the 'stigma' of claiming benefits in the US is far worse than here.
Even for 'just need to tide us over', short term situations.

Perhaps one of our family across the pond can let me know which end I'm talking from.

Very true Stat. The stigma in the US to accepting government assistance comes with the label ‘socialist’ and/or ‘communist’. Some on the right reject big government assistance, some not even cashing their $1200 check from the government never wanting to be hit with these labels.

One thing that I have learnt living in the Midwest for 7 years is that people like to organize and help one another from a more community level e.g through church or work. Also, they would rather work every single day and never take a vacation than receive a penny from the government.
 


Nitram

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2013
2,179


This is what happens when a very stable genius is able to get his views across. 40% of the population are on message with this conspiracy spreading idiot. Truly a land of Dumb and Dumber.
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,445
Goldstone
John Sopel tonight on the news at 6..... " Trump's Press Secretary said " The Media have twisted his words "
I didn't even look at the Media's take on it, I just watched and listened to what he had to say.

But now he's claiming he was being sarcastic :facepalm:
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
50,445
Goldstone
Very true Stat. The stigma in the US to accepting government assistance comes with the label ‘socialist’ and/or ‘communist’. Some on the right reject big government assistance, some not even cashing their $1200 check from the government never wanting to be hit with these labels.

One thing that I have learnt living in the Midwest for 7 years is that people like to organize and help one another from a more community level e.g through church or work. Also, they would rather work every single day and never take a vacation than receive a penny from the government.
Wow. That's enlightening.
 


Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
Very true Stat. The stigma in the US to accepting government assistance comes with the label ‘socialist’ and/or ‘communist’. Some on the right reject big government assistance, some not even cashing their $1200 check from the government never wanting to be hit with these labels.y

One thing that I have learnt living in the Midwest for 7 years is that people like to organize and help one another from a more community level e.g through church or work. Also, they would rather work every single day and never take a vacation than receive a penny from the government.
Contrary to antipodean musings it would seem, again, I have a decent understanding of life across the pond.
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,991
I didn't even look at the Media's take on it, I just watched and listened to what he had to say.

But now he's claiming he was being sarcastic :facepalm:

The irony is Trump said it, no one else, I'm sure like me when you heard what he said it is pretty damn difficult to twist those words !
 




Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,973
Almería
Nothing better to do? We're discussing how dumb Trump is, and you're the one person I remember saying he's not that dumb, that's all.

While I agree with your points about his ambitions and that he's had some success (he was born richer than most of us would want to be, so I don't really credit him with much there), I do think he is somewhat dumb. His over-inflated opinion of himself, along with his money, has bought him his success. The advisors his money has bought has managed to position himself where needed to win votes.

Many of the things he does which we think are stupid, can be somewhat justified by his target market - his voters. But his responses highlighted above (shine light into the human body, or put disinfectant in) are not vote winners, they're just the thoughts of a stupid man. Only my opinion of course, you're free to disagree.

His mental musings are good for ratings, I suppose.
 


Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,973
Almería
This is rather special:
Reporter: Can you clarify your comments about injection on disinfectant?

POTUS [President of the United States]: I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. Now disinfectant or doing this maybe on the hands would work. I was asking the question of the gentleman who was there yesterday, Bill [Bill Bryan, the acting homeland security undersecretary for science and technology], because when they say that something will last three to four hours or six hours, but if sun is out, or if they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday?

POTUS: When I was asking a sarcastic — a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside, but it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to a reporter.

Reporter: But you were asking your medical experts to look into it.

POTUS: To look into whether or not sun — and disinfectant on the hands — but whether or not sun can help us. Because, I mean he came in yesterday and he said they’ve done a big study. This is a study. This isn’t where he hasn’t done it. This is where they’ve come in with a final report that sun has a massive impact negatively on this virus. In other words, it does not live well with humidity and it doesn’t live well with sun, sunlight, heat. It doesn’t live well with heat and sun and and disinfectant. And that’s what I brought up, and I thought that was clear.

Jeff Mason [Reuters journalist]: Just to follow up on the comments from yesterday you said you were being sarcastic, but some people may have misunderstood you. Do you want to just clarify?

POTUS: I wish they […]

Jeff Mason: Do you want to clarify to Americans if you don’t want people to think that?

POTUS. Yes. I do think that disinfectant on the hands could have a very good effect. Now, Bill is going back to check that in the laboratory. You know, it’s an amazing laboratory, by the way. It’s amazing the work they do. So, he’s going to check because a hard surface. This is a hard surface I guess maybe depending on whose hand you’re talking about, right? But this is a hard surface and disinfectant, disinfectant has an unbelievable — it wipes it out. You saw it? Sun and heat, and humidity and you wipe it out. And this is from tests — they’ve been doing these tests for a number of months. And the result — so then I said, ‘Well, how do we do it inside the body or even outside the body with the hands and disinfectant I think would work.’ He thinks it would work. When you use it when you’re doing your hands. I guess that’s one of the reasons they say wash your hands, but whether it’s washing hands or disinfectant on your hands, it’s very good. So, they’re going to start looking at that. And there is a way of, you know, if light — if sun, sun itself that sun has a tremendous impact on or kills it like in one — it goes from what was it? Hours to like one minute instead.

So, I said you got to go back and look, but I’d like them now to look as it pertains to the human body. Not just sitting on a railing or sitting on a wall. I’d like to look as it pertains because maybe there’s something there. They have to work with — I’m not a doctor. They have to work with their doctors. but maybe there is something to light, and the human body, and helping people that are dying.

Jeff Mason: Just to clarify: You’re not encouraging Americans to inject disinfectant?

POTUS: No. Of course not…It was said sarcastically. It was put in the form of a question to a group of extraordinary hostile people. Namely, the fake news media.

Jeff Mason: Some doctors felt you needed to clarify that after your comments.

POTUS: Of course, all they had to do was see just — you know the way it was asked. I was looking at you.

Jeff Mason: No you weren’t sir. I wasn’t there yesterday.

Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.

POTUS: What’s that?

Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.

POTUS: I was looking at Bill. I was looking at the doctor. I was looking at some of the reporters. I don’t know if you were there. Were you there?

Weijia Jiang: I was there and I watched you ask her.

POTUS: You were there. You were there. You I never forget.

Jeff Mason: I wasn’t there yesterday.

POTUS: You were not?

Jeff Mason: No sir.

POTUS: Yeah. I didn’t think you were there. End of
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,991
I loved seeing the very relaxed John Sopel at the last two White House press conferences. Smirking, he looked like he was about to bust out laughing at ludicrousness of the whole show.

I think Sopel is a very good reporter, he knows that Trump is an imbecile, he knows that most of us know that Trump is an imbecile, he just lets the President's words condemn himself further with a bemused look on his face !
 




raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
6,201
Wiltshire
This is rather special:
Reporter: Can you clarify your comments about injection on disinfectant?

POTUS [President of the United States]: I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. Now disinfectant or doing this maybe on the hands would work. I was asking the question of the gentleman who was there yesterday, Bill [Bill Bryan, the acting homeland security undersecretary for science and technology], because when they say that something will last three to four hours or six hours, but if sun is out, or if they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday?

POTUS: When I was asking a sarcastic — a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside, but it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to a reporter.

Reporter: But you were asking your medical experts to look into it.

POTUS: To look into whether or not sun — and disinfectant on the hands — but whether or not sun can help us. Because, I mean he came in yesterday and he said they’ve done a big study. This is a study. This isn’t where he hasn’t done it. This is where they’ve come in with a final report that sun has a massive impact negatively on this virus. In other words, it does not live well with humidity and it doesn’t live well with sun, sunlight, heat. It doesn’t live well with heat and sun and and disinfectant. And that’s what I brought up, and I thought that was clear.

Jeff Mason [Reuters journalist]: Just to follow up on the comments from yesterday you said you were being sarcastic, but some people may have misunderstood you. Do you want to just clarify?

POTUS: I wish they […]

Jeff Mason: Do you want to clarify to Americans if you don’t want people to think that?

POTUS. Yes. I do think that disinfectant on the hands could have a very good effect. Now, Bill is going back to check that in the laboratory. You know, it’s an amazing laboratory, by the way. It’s amazing the work they do. So, he’s going to check because a hard surface. This is a hard surface I guess maybe depending on whose hand you’re talking about, right? But this is a hard surface and disinfectant, disinfectant has an unbelievable — it wipes it out. You saw it? Sun and heat, and humidity and you wipe it out. And this is from tests — they’ve been doing these tests for a number of months. And the result — so then I said, ‘Well, how do we do it inside the body or even outside the body with the hands and disinfectant I think would work.’ He thinks it would work. When you use it when you’re doing your hands. I guess that’s one of the reasons they say wash your hands, but whether it’s washing hands or disinfectant on your hands, it’s very good. So, they’re going to start looking at that. And there is a way of, you know, if light — if sun, sun itself that sun has a tremendous impact on or kills it like in one — it goes from what was it? Hours to like one minute instead.

So, I said you got to go back and look, but I’d like them now to look as it pertains to the human body. Not just sitting on a railing or sitting on a wall. I’d like to look as it pertains because maybe there’s something there. They have to work with — I’m not a doctor. They have to work with their doctors. but maybe there is something to light, and the human body, and helping people that are dying.

Jeff Mason: Just to clarify: You’re not encouraging Americans to inject disinfectant?

POTUS: No. Of course not…It was said sarcastically. It was put in the form of a question to a group of extraordinary hostile people. Namely, the fake news media.

Jeff Mason: Some doctors felt you needed to clarify that after your comments.

POTUS: Of course, all they had to do was see just — you know the way it was asked. I was looking at you.

Jeff Mason: No you weren’t sir. I wasn’t there yesterday.

Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.

POTUS: What’s that?

Weijia Jiang: You were looking at Dr. Birx.

POTUS: I was looking at Bill. I was looking at the doctor. I was looking at some of the reporters. I don’t know if you were there. Were you there?

Weijia Jiang: I was there and I watched you ask her.

POTUS: You were there. You were there. You I never forget.

Jeff Mason: I wasn’t there yesterday.

POTUS: You were not?

Jeff Mason: No sir.

POTUS: Yeah. I didn’t think you were there. End of

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Higham Seagull Army

Active member
May 5, 2008
566
northants
Surely somewhere in America theres a deep dark bunker under a desert or something ,where a plan is being hatched to get rid of Trump by any means necessary as the world continues to laugh in its face.
Shady CIA and FBI types talking in hushed tones, plotting 2020 "grassy knowls "

There will be a film youll see,,

heard it here first.

this message will most probably not self-destruct.
 






carlzeiss

Well-known member
May 19, 2009
5,906
Amazonia
Surely somewhere in America theres a deep dark bunker under a desert or something ,where a plan is being hatched to get rid of Trump by any means necessary as the world continues to laugh in its face.
Shady CIA and FBI types talking in hushed tones, plotting 2020 "grassy knowls "

There will be a film youll see,,

heard it here first.

this message will most probably not self-destruct.

Won't happen as it would result in Civil war . Fusion GPS was the best the ops could muster
 


blue-shifted

Banned
Feb 20, 2004
7,645
a galaxy far far away
On this whole Trump is clever thing ... clearly an absolute moron and I think it's an insult to people with mental illness to describe him as mentally ill.

However I do give him some credit for being the first Western leader in modern times to work out that you can brazenly lie without consequence if you have a friendly media.

I mean other politicians have clearly lied, but not really in the same way. They've always left some sort of scope for reasonable doubt. Trump is the first to demonstrably lie and rely on his media allies and core support back him literally whatever he says.

Now he may have stumbled upon that realisation by accident, but there is some part of me that thinks there is an element of calculation there. His example has been widely followed by other leaders. In that way I do credit him with some sort of intelligence.
 


A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
18,634
Deepest, darkest Sussex


blue-shifted

Banned
Feb 20, 2004
7,645
a galaxy far far away
Surely somewhere in America theres a deep dark bunker under a desert or something ,where a plan is being hatched to get rid of Trump by any means necessary as the world continues to laugh in its face.
Shady CIA and FBI types talking in hushed tones, plotting 2020 "grassy knowls "

There will be a film youll see,,

heard it here first.

this message will most probably not self-destruct.

I've heard this a few times, but it's patently rubbish. The gun loons absolutely love him. Zero prospect of him being taken out.

It's the US equivalent of the "metropolitan elite" who have their head in their hands in despair, but writing a strongly worded placard will be the furthest they'll go to oppose him
 




sparkie

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
12,737
Hove
Surely somewhere in America theres a deep dark bunker under a desert or something ,where a plan is being hatched to get rid of Trump by any means necessary as the world continues to laugh in its face.
Shady CIA and FBI types talking in hushed tones, plotting 2020 "grassy knowls "

There will be a film youll see,,

heard it here first.

this message will most probably not self-destruct.
It's more likely to be a burger that takes him out than a bullet.
 




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