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[Politics] Question Time In Brighton: 14th November 2019













hans kraay fan club

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Very true indeed. We’d have voted remain if we’d properly invested in the North of the Country!

Only if the 'establishment' were advocating we Remain.

Aside from the racists and xenophobes, a significant chunk of the Leave vote was IMO a protest vote - a chance for the disenfranchised to aim a kick at the shins of the powers that be. Had Cameron called the referendum and campaigned to Leave, the 'protest vote' would have been to Remain.
 




Hugo Rune

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Only if the 'establishment' were advocating we Remain.

Aside from the racists and xenophobes, a significant chunk of the Leave vote was IMO a protest vote - a chance for the disenfranchised to aim a kick at the shins of the powers that be. Had Cameron called the referendum and campaigned to Leave, the 'protest vote' would have been to Remain.

I agree.

Sorting out the needs of those protest voters should be more of a priority than worrying about Brexit. I considered voting leave for a number of reasons (mostly to do with Greece/Spain crashes and how economies and business in the EU have generally much much lower standards of financial book keeping/accounting/accountability) including pissing off gammon Cameron.
 


Jan 30, 2008
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Only if the 'establishment' were advocating we Remain.

Aside from the racists and xenophobes, a significant chunk of the Leave vote was IMO a protest vote - a chance for the disenfranchised to aim a kick at the shins of the powers that be. Had Cameron called the referendum and campaigned to Leave, the 'protest vote' would have been to Remain.

This shows how out of touch you are , oh well all will be revealed on 13th December
Regards
DF
 


hans kraay fan club

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This shows how out of touch you are , oh well all will be revealed on 13th December
Regards
DF

Could you expand on how the results of this election will 'reveal' anything about the motives of disenfranchised Northern leave voters in 2016? :shrug:
 




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Only if the 'establishment' were advocating we Remain.

Aside from the racists and xenophobes, a significant chunk of the Leave vote was IMO a protest vote - a chance for the disenfranchised to aim a kick at the shins of the powers that be. Had Cameron called the referendum and campaigned to Leave, the 'protest vote' would have been to Remain.

John Humphries and other fair minded Remainers, have pointed out that the effect on communities from the huge influx of migrants from 1997 onwards (borne out in official stats), was completely ignored by politicians and much of the media eg BBC. People felt that their way of life and livelihoods were threatened. All in a relatively short time span.

As a Remainer, who welcomes immigrants with good intentions to work, whether they be Poles or Bangladeshi’s, I was shocked to discover the aforementioned wave of sentiment on the eve of the EU vote. Associates and colleagues, some young, from West Sussex, Hove, Newick, Crowborough, were all voting Leave. The main reason given was immigration, with the increased remit of the EU over the decades mentioned too. To my knowledge, not one has changed their mind.
 




Jan 30, 2008
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John Humphries and other fair minded Remainers, have pointed out that the effect on communities from the huge influx of migrants from 1997 onwards (borne out in official stats), was completely ignored by politicians and much of the media eg BBC. People felt that their way of life and livelihoods were threatened. All in a relatively short time span.

As a Remainer, who welcomes immigrants with good intentions to work, whether they be Poles or Bangladeshi’s, I was shocked to discover the aforementioned wave of sentiment on the eve of the EU vote. Associates and colleagues, some young, from West Sussex, Hove, Newick, Crowborough, were all voting Leave. The main reason given was immigration, with the increased remit of the EU over the decades mentioned too. To my knowledge, not one has changed their mind.

This
Regards
DG
 






Wardy's twin

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If only there was a thread dedicated to the subject matter where people have already, numerous times, explained what they thought the benefits of leaving were and why they voted leave. Then anyone with this type of query could go and read it.

And we wouldn't end up with a Brexit 2 thread.

Another with nothing to add. It should have been quicker to list 5 bullet points of why things will be better but I guess you are still trying to invent them.
 


Westdene Seagull

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Another with nothing to add. It should have been quicker to list 5 bullet points of why things will be better but I guess you are still trying to invent them.

I've posted them numerous times in the dedicated thread. I'm not doing it again just because you're too lazy to read said thread.
 




BeHereNow

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No problem with that at all. Show us a form of leaving with no negative effects, and I’m sure we can all get on board.

Well, I’m sure there will be some negative effects in the short term, but in the long term (which is what we all really care about) it will be much better for us than staying in the EU.

I’ll also say there will be more negative effects if we stay in, the main one being that the EU economy is going down the shitter and has been for some time now.

I’m not northern, I’m from Southwick and we voted leave.

You seem to forget that people have been wanting to leave for a long time, it wasn’t just a spilt decision made within a few weeks leading up to the referendum.

We didn’t even have a vote to join the EU. It’s all a coordinated plan for Europe to become one nation with one army. That’s not what our ancestors fought for.
 


BeHereNow

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I don't believe I am superior to leavers I just want to understand what i am missing as they see benefits that i don't.

the only piece of arrogance(ignorance) on here is your use of the word Democracy, it is about compromise and consensus NOT a first past the post vote which leaves the 'losers' as just that.

So i will ask again , if 51% of electorate voted to kill the other 49% then you feel that would be ok ?

The benefits were there to see, you were just wilfully ignoring them, or maybe you just don’t watch political programmes?

So, if we voted remain there would be a compromise? We would be half in, half out? Or should it only be a compromise because we won?

EU elections before referendum = Leave won

EU referendum = Leave won

General Election after referendum = Around about 80% of voters voted for parties advocating for leaving the EU

EU elections after General Election = Leave won

Remainers only want another referendum because they think they can win, not because it’s good for democracy.

Well, I’m telling you now, Leave would win again.
 


Wardy's twin

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I've posted them numerous times in the dedicated thread. I'm not doing it again just because you're too lazy to read said thread.

Looked thru it plenty of times and all I see is leavers saying they have won what looks like a booby prize to me. If I were lazy I wouldn't be striving to find the answer. The thread is about a general election about Brexit with a sub topic of the NHS (keep or lose it).
 


hans kraay fan club

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Well, I’m sure there will be some negative effects in the short term, but in the long term (which is what we all really care about) it will be much better for us than staying in the EU.

Because, of what? Specifically, what is going to be improved?

It’s all a coordinated plan for Europe to become one nation with one army. That’s not what our ancestors fought for.

Good grief
 




Stat Brother

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We didn’t even have a vote to join the EU. It’s all a coordinated plan for Europe to become one nation with one army. That’s not what our ancestors fought for.
I'm glad this has popped up and said hello, again.

Why would a united army across Europe be such a bad thing?

We saw on Sunday evening the positive affects of a European/US army.
As a nation we could do without the expense of our ever diminishing armed forces.
The UK won't to be drawn into any conflict by Europe.
If Europe went to war 'we' are more than likely to join them.

I'm suggesting to see the downside.
 


Jan 30, 2008
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I'm glad this has popped up and said hello, again.

Why would a united army across Europe be such a bad thing?

We saw on Sunday evening the positive affects of a European/US army.
As a nation we could do without the expense of our ever diminishing armed forces.
The UK won't to be drawn into any conflict by Europe.
If Europe went to war 'we' are more than likely to join them.

I'm suggesting to see the downside.

**** sake man get a grip ,so you're happy to lose our identity and our armed forces to a central EU command base ,WTF !!!
Regards
DF
 


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