[Politics] The General Election Thread

[theonlymikey]

I think it's incredible voters will continue to champion capitalism at all costs even against the potential of them losing their lives. Now THAT is irresponsible.

 

[beorhthelm]

You didn't answer the question...

and you said it wasn't a trick question... it amounts to a "would you rather" scenario. yes if the options are death or not, then borrow everything with gay abandon.

trouble is, if this works and the world is saved, you now have 500bn of debt to pay back to the capitalist. how does that sit with you?

 

[CHAPPERS]

I see the Tories are doubling down on their disgrace of a video of Kier Starmer yesterday.

They tested what they could get away with during the refendum campaign and are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get their No Deal through. How can anyone vote for this deceitful shower?

 

[theonlymikey]

and you said it wasn't a trick question... it amounts to a "would you rather" scenario. yes if the options are death or not, then borrow everything with gay abandon.

trouble is, if this works and the world is saved, you now have 500bn of debt to pay back to the capitalist. how does that sit with you?

I'd rather have the trouble of finding how to pay back £500bn of debt than 10bn deaths and a planet wiped out. I think £50 per person globally would be a small price to pay to save the planet, don't you?

Aside from the fact that money is just a thought up concept to start with anyway, you can't put a price on life.

We should just pay what is required right now and get this sorted. #letsgetclimatechangedone #BJ

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You didn't really answer the question.

Your question is false though. What you're really asking is would I prefer for the planet to survive but for everyone to live in caves versus continue how we are going now and everyone dies. There is a middle ground.

 

[theonlymikey]

Your question is false though. What you're really asking is would I prefer for the planet to survive but for everyone to live in caves versus continue how we are going now and everyone dies. There is a middle ground.

It's not false. The question is quite clear. If you can't answer it, it implies capitalism means more to your than the planet & human life. Which i find very odd.

UNLESS you are climate change denier. Which is still pretty odd considering the available evidence but not as odd as choosing money over life.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'd rather have the trouble of finding how to pay back £500bn of debt than 10bn deaths and a planet wiped out. I think £50 per person globally would be a small price to pay to save the planet, don't you?

our little efforts alone are not going to save the planet though, and the cost will only be born by the population of this country. so thats £7-8k each. real sustainable investment would be preferable for me, or if we must, large taxation increases to pay as we go. i dont know when that stopped as a policy, it seems all the parties are too scared to say how much it'll cost now and defering instead (it'll still be from taxes in the end).

 

[Farehamseagull]

I see the Tories are doubling down on their disgrace of a video of Kier Starmer yesterday.

They tested what they could get away with during the refendum campaign and are going to use every dirty trick in the book to get their No Deal through. How can anyone vote for this deceitful shower?

Well said.

It is astonishing how ignorant, selfish and narrow minded so many people are. The Tories should be unelectable and wiped out based on their record and behaviour over recent years yet barring a miracle, it looks like we’ve got another 5 years of this disgrace.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's not false. The question is quite clear. If you can't answer it, it implies capitalism means more to your than the planet & human life. Which i find very odd.

UNLESS you are climate change denier. Which is still pretty odd considering the available evidence but not as odd as choosing money over life.

It is false. Destroying economies will also kill people. Of course I would want the planet to survive over capitalism - that's a daft question. Borrowing our way out of the issue won't work though. You're making this very much a binary solution when it isn't. If it is really that binary I hope you won't turn on your central heating this winter, never drive a car, never use an airplane and only grow your own food rather than use transported foods from the supermarkets - i.e. everyone should immediately stop anything that is killing the planet. You can go first …..

 

[theonlymikey]

our little efforts alone are not going to save the planet though, and the cost will only be born by the population of this country. so thats £7-8k each. real sustainable investment would be preferable for me, or if we must, large taxation increases to pay as we go. i dont know when that stopped as a policy, it seems all the parties are too scared to say how much it'll cost now and defering instead (it'll still be from taxes in the end).

In my opinion, it's going to cost what it's going to cost. Let's compare the planet to something simple like brake pads.

Barrys car is in for a service, his garage calls him to talk about his brake pads. They're wearing out and his garage says he will need to replace them. It’s going to cost £40.00 to get them fixed. He chooses to wait.

2 months later, Barry takes the car in to replace the pads. The Pads are still £40.00 as before to replace. Trouble is, now he’s left it too long. The garage tells him because he didn’t replace the pads sooner, he has now damaged the disks. His bill increases from £40.00 to £XXX.XX.

This is the same for the planet, the longer this goes on, the more expensive saving the planet and reversing the damage will become. Additionally it will take more labour and is a more difficult job to do.

Don’t be like Barry. #getclimatechangedone

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The terrible thing is, it WAS a good idea. Ten thousand gullible gammon dickheads will have retweeted / shared it, far and wide, to be enthusiastically lapped up by a million of their brethren.

Not one of them will pause to give two ****s whether it is accurate or not.

I'd suspect one of those gammons is [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION]

Given his views on what has caused the railway issues countrywide over the last decade he seems as well informed as next door's Jack Russell.

Point of order!

There's actually no way [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] would have shared it.



He'd have shared a SCREENSHOT of it.

Can't be too careful, after all

#gremlins

 

[hans kraay fan club]

In my opinion, it's going to cost what it's going to cost. Let's compare the planet to something simple like brake pads.

Barrys car is in for a service, his garage calls him to talk about his brake pads. They're wearing out and his garage says he will need to replace them. It’s going to cost £40.00 to get them fixed. He chooses to wait.

2 months later, Barry takes the car in to replace the pads. The Pads are still £40.00 as before to replace. Trouble is, now he’s left it too long. The garage tells him because he didn’t replace the pads sooner, he has now damaged the disks. His bill increases from £40.00 to £XXX.XX.

This is the same for the planet, the longer this goes on, the more expensive saving the planet and reversing the damage will become. Additionally it will take more labour and is a more difficult job to do.

Don’t be like Barry. #getclimatechangedone

It is a decent analogy, when you consider the likely outcome, of the third option of just ignoring the brakes altogether and hoping for the best.

 

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[Two Professors]

You are a card.

I bet you don't think anyone else goes near to the Midlands on this board and you are therefore free to post whatever crap enters your tiny head.

Until a year ago I was regularly consulting in an office in Colmore Circus in the centre of Birmingham and getting there by train. Birmingham New St is very nice since its redevelopment, which is good since it is overcrowded and subject to almost constant delays. New Street is, in fact, the fourth worst station in the WHOLE COUNTRY. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45864908

You're right about development though. It's called HS2. Devised by the Tory government it is turning Birmingham city centre in to a building site, constricting the almost uncountable numbers of homeless people off their heads on Spice to roam the streets around New St, Moor St and Snow Hill. I say "roam", I mean "collapse on the pavement on the verge of death". And HS2? Overbudget by 22 BILLION and not delivering anything until 2031. All on the Tories' watch.

I'd say the government's rail policy country wide is a disaster and it's no better in the Midlands than anywhere else. I'd also say, given the number of aforementioned addicted homeless people, that your beloved mayor has his priorities wrong.

So a few trips to Brum and Which magazine from 2018 makes you an expert?
HS2 is a London-centric national project,and nothing whatsoever to do with regional development.I use Chiltern and West Midlands services on a regular basis,having given up selfishly polluting the environment using the roads some years ago,and don't experience any problems.As for homeless drug addicts,most of whom appear to be Scottish in the city centre,do you really think Birmingham is worse than Brighton/Hastings,despite it's far larger population?

 

[Two Professors]

Point of order!

There's actually no way [MENTION=14132]Two Professors[/MENTION] would have shared it.





He'd have shared a SCREENSHOT of it.

Can't be too careful, after all

#gremlins

How much money was lost to on-line fraud last year then,Mr.Smuggles?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Sorry, but are you saying that something actually happening under a Tory government is a taste of what might happen if Labour get in?

You're an utter fukwit.

And people call me rude But anyway, he is though, which is why (I don't need to finish the sentence, do I?).

Incidentally when I looked at my messages this morning, one has been deleted and the other is unavailable. Gammon failing the 'ignore' barrier, or has someone been put on the naughty step by a mod?

 

[BLOCK F]

It is a decent analogy, when you consider the likely outcome, of the third option of just ignoring the brakes altogether and hoping for the best.

According to some, if we really wanted to save the planet, Barry shouldn't be driving a car at all, so to hell with the worn brake pads!

 

[lawros left foot]

High Court has ruled this morning that the blanket ban on Extinction Rebellion by the Met Police was unlawful.

Another question for Pritti Patel to answer.

 

[armchairclubber]

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Not normally a fan of Kay Burley but credit where it's due

 

[Two Professors]

And people call me rude But anyway, he is though, which is why (I don't need to finish the sentence, do I?).

Incidentally when I looked at my messages this morning, one has been deleted and the other is unavailable. Gammon failing the 'ignore' barrier, or has someone been put on the naughty step by a mod?

Perhaps your ignore button has fallen off.