The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No he isn’t.

He’s looking like a dinosaur left winger preaching to the converted.


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Indeed.

But comapred with Boris....

 

[drew]

Labour overspending more like

I'm guessing you must be one of those 'Sun' readers!

 

[Weststander]

"Labour will fix the brexit crisis by taking the decision back to the people. Labour is a democratic party that respects the people". What he means is " Labour is a party that cannot and will not make a ****ing decision".

The best thing he can do is resign.

Or:

Corbyn is lifelong anti EU, for well documented reasons. Any need to mention them yet again? And he’s playing the people:

a) In the huge Brexit swathes of England and Wales, often Labour or marginal constituencies, he’s intimating he’s on their side. AND

b) In the metropolitan Remain constituencies, with Starmer he’s doing the exact opposite.

Will that be exposed at the next GE ballot box?

 

[T.G]

Brilliant speech at the conference, exposing all the lies about his leadership and setting out an agenda that finally if implemented would hold the wealthy to account.

 

[CheeseRolls]

What was bizarre for me was how he said, regarding Brexit...

"the Liberal Democrats want to cancel the country’s largest ever democratic vote"​

...before saying...

"Labour will end the Brexit crisis by taking the decision back to the people with the choice of a credible leave deal alongside remain. "​

...which, is doing exactly the same thing.

(I'm a remainer BTW, but the simply hypocrisy was bizarre)

Oh, and I also got very annoyed that he repeatedly said "are" when he should have been saying "our".

I am not sure I see it like that at all. I think that Corbyn would like Brexit almost as much as JRM and his crew. One of the craziest things here, is that both could get their wishes, but deliver a Brexit determined by the other. Forget all the jingoism, Corbyn wants to be able to nationalise and subsidise UK industries/jobs, which he feels the EU is stopping him from doing. JRM and his crew want to be able to hang on to all the secrecy around tax havens and undercut Europe on Corporation tax. Both sides believe that we will all ultimately be so grateful for the chaos that ensues, that we will keep their party in government for eternity. My bet is whoever delivers (if anyone) will get kicked out fairly rapidly thereafter, delivering a free hit to their opponents.

Corbyn's compromise is only in place as so many of his own party don't agree with him.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What was bizarre for me was how he said, regarding Brexit...

"the Liberal Democrats want to cancel the country’s largest ever democratic vote"​

...before saying...

"Labour will end the Brexit crisis by taking the decision back to the people with the choice of a credible leave deal alongside remain. "​

...which, is doing exactly the same thing.

(I'm a remainer BTW, but the simply hypocrisy was bizarre)

Oh, and I also got very annoyed that he repeatedly said "are" when he should have been saying "our".

It's not exactly the same thing, not by a long chalk.

 

[Bakero]

It's not exactly the same thing, not by a long chalk.

Bizarre to think anybody sees it as the same.

 

[Bakero]

i think middle england wouldnt care much as their kids go to the local comp (or grammar perhaps). it seems a vindicitve cause to chase after, but the left dont like any privilege so understand why. what i dont understand is why they dress up objection as some tax dodgy or subsidy, when the exemptions apply to all education and state education is 100% subsidised.

You see it as vindictive, others would prefer not to live in a country ravaged by inequality and class division. Abolishing private schools isn't a panacea but the overall effect would be postive imo. I don't hate privilege per se, but I don't feel segregating children based on the wealth of their parents is good for society. Furthermore, I believe the existence of fee paying schools holds back state schools.

 

[Bakero]

"Private School devotees" is there such a thing?

I went to Private school in the 80's and there was a strong anti-Labour feel back then because the view was that they would try to abolish the school we went to. In hindsight, I think that was pretty unfounded, and I very much doubt that has continued in the intervening years, as it has never seriously been on the agenda, until now.
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It was in their 1983 manifesto.

 

[Bozza]

It's not exactly the same thing, not by a long chalk.

Bizarre to think anybody sees it as the same.

The Lib Dems are bad people because they want to ignore the referendum.

Us? Oh we're going to ignore the referendum by holding another referendum.

 

[Bozza]

"Labour accepts the referendum result"

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/negotiating-brexit/

The wind seems to have changed.

 

[lawros left foot]

So, borrowing has gone up by 28% in the last 5 months, according to the ONS.

Someone is getting ready for an election.

Last financial years deficit has also been revised up from 23.6 billion, to 41.3 billion.

 

[clapham_gull]

What was bizarre for me was how he said, regarding Brexit...

"the Liberal Democrats want to cancel the country’s largest ever democratic vote"​

...before saying...

"Labour will end the Brexit crisis by taking the decision back to the people with the choice of a credible leave deal alongside remain. "​

...which, is doing exactly the same thing.

(I'm a remainer BTW, but the simple hypocrisy was bizarre)

Oh, and I also got very annoyed that he repeatedly said "are" when he should have been saying "our".

I'm not a Tory or Labour boy (or Lib Dem) but the positions are very different.

I don't agree with the Lib Dems but have no problem with what they are doing. Why not ? If we leave in a decade we could have a party campaigning to re-join. Is that a problem because it goes against the referendum ?

They are taking a position and asking people to vote for it in an election.

Corbyn however is challenged. Deeply.

He has voted against the EU his entire career. He hates the concept, but likes the reality because it has kept the extremes of Government (both Labour and Tory) in check. He also has a membership under a new constitution who overwhelming want to remain.

He has washed his hands of it and is saying - let's have another referendum. Bit of cop out, but he has no choice.

Boris is the only leader of the main parties who is being completely disingenuous. He doesn't really believe in it, is politically an "Urban Liberal " (just like his father, sister and brother) but is pretending to be something he isn't to pander to the Tory members.

Will be fascinating if he plans to attack Corbyn over his wish for freedom of movement under an EU deal.

Boris was lobbying for EXACTLY THE SAME under May.

 

[Bozza]

Boris is the only leader of the main parties who is being completely disingenuous. He doesn't really believe in it, is politically an "Urban Liberal " (just like his father, sister and brother) but is pretending to be something he isn't to pander to the Tory members.

I respectfully disagree.

Johnson WAS being disingenuous when he was campaigning for leave, As most knew, and Cameron has spoken about over the last week or so, Johnson positioned himself based on career objectives, not on his own beliefs.

What he is doing now, is trying to see through the referendum result as the Tories said they would do in their election manifesto. As did Labour, but they've been pathetically wishy washy ever since, for a whole host of reasons.

 

[beorhthelm]

The Lib Dems are bad people because they want to ignore the referendum.

Us? Oh we're going to ignore the referendum by holding another referendum.

sounds like the same outcome, just different ways of presenting it.

 

[clapham_gull]

I respectfully disagree.

Johnson WAS being disingenuous when he was campaigning for leave, As most knew, and Cameron has spoken about over the last week or so, Johnson positioned himself based on career objectives, not on his own beliefs.

What he is doing now, is trying to see through the referendum result as the Tories said they would do in their election manifesto. As did Labour, but they've been pathetically wishy washy ever since, for a whole host of reasons.

Johnson has post referendum being talking to EU Ambassadors about his belief in post Brexit freedom of movement then throwing a hissy fit and threatening journalists when they threaten to leak.

Taps nose.

Johnson isn't fit to a MP let alone Prime Minister. He is a puppet Prime Minister, who is simply going along with a Tory takeover by Neo-Liberals who know he is more electable the Rees Mogg. There are parallels with Trump.

Both Johnson and Hunt played the same game but Johnson is more controllable by the ERG and the members would vote for anything. Jeffrey Archer was popular with members too. Luckily Thatcher was clever enough to keep him at bay. She knew a wrong'un.

Anyway - Brexit ? It's a red herring and this is where it differs from the policies of the Republican party.

It's all about turning the UK into a low regulation, low tax economy that relies on mass immigration from countries where non EU workers will accept lower wages and rights.

This is why Johnson is playing their tune by:

1) On his first day in parliament calling for an amnesty on illegal immigration.
2) Extending the post education Visa of foreign students from two months to two years.

Seeing through the Referendum result ? Ha, ****ing, ha. This cuts like a knife with your ardent Brexiteers on here who have been remarkably quiet on the no quota immigration policies of "New Tory".

You just need to read the political writings of the people who taken over your party. The ones who think Thatcher was too "left wing".

 

[Bozza]

You just need to read the political writings of the people who taken over your party. The ones who think Thatcher was too "left wing".

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm no more of a Tory than Jeremy Corbyn is. I've voted Tory in the past, but I've also voted Labour and Lib Dem. The latter have had my vote for a fair few years now, and I can't see that changing with the two main parties both an utter shambles with terrible leadership.

Hope this helps.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm no more of a Tory than Jeremy Corbyn is. I've voted Tory in the past, but I've also voted Labour and Lib Dem. The latter have had my vote for a fair few years now, and I can't see that changing with the two main parties both an utter shambles with terrible leadership.

Hope this helps.

The trouble with you is you can be so sensible sometimes.

 

[clapham_gull]

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm no more of a Tory than Jeremy Corbyn is. I've voted Tory in the past, but I've also voted Labour and Lib Dem. The latter have had my vote for a fair few years now, and I can't see that changing with the two main parties both an utter shambles with terrible leadership.

Hope this helps.

Oh, sorry

Can I utterly apologise for assuming you were a shy Tory.

I seem to recall a post a few years ago when you outed yourself as voting for them which was brave. I think (obviously) where we differ is you feel the need to vote for one of them which is admirable.

I take a different position, which is to vote for none of them. I always vote locally (tactically to mix it up) and for the London Mayor.

But I found your position (and millions others) fascinating. You disagree with the policies of the main two, then feel the need to vote for the "other" with no policies except possibly local opportunist ones.

It's ****ed isn't it.

 

[clapham_gull]

The trouble with you is you can be so sensible sometimes.

Still voted Tory