[Albion] Bloom knows he got his timing wrong.

[sussex_guy2k2]

I thought he nailed his timing. Don't rock the boat more than you need to. He needed to go at the end of the year but a change post-Cardiff would've been a rush job. It also gives the new manager as much time to plan this summer as possible.

My only debate is regarding the manner of it. I'm assuming CH said he wouldn't take a mutual termination and a send off at the game, and consequently said "you'll have to sack me and pay me off if you want me gone", which is why it happened immediately after the game.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It was only a matter of when he went after the Cardiff debacle. I seem to remember a shot of Tony watching the game with a face like thunder.

So basically, with the transfer window opening tomorrow, Hughton was going to be gone between April 17th and today at the latest.

Tony took the gamble to stick with CH in the best interests of survival. So then it was a question of sacking CH anytime after the Cardiff-Palace game. It could have been done anytime last week - I assume Tony spent a few days reviewing his initial decision and thinking through options.

 

[El Presidente]

Who is scapegoating the manager? You think that by sacking CH, TB is scapegoating the manager? In other words if a manager is sacked he is being scapegoated for all and every failing at any club? That's nonsense.

The owner has to be able to make a managerial change without being accused of scapegoating. Indeed a managerial change is the only real way of affecting key issues surrounding how the side is set out to play, tactics on the day, and team selection. Replacing head of recruitment (or whatever) or even resigning himself (heaven forbid) won't change the way the manager works.

And it was the way the manager was working that needed changing, according to TB. Who are we to argue.

Scapegoating . . . .crikey....you're far too sensible to wander down that cul de sac.

Edit; so many typos. Boy was I cross when I drafted that!

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a centre forward who by his own admission doesn't like heading the ball, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a record signing winger who can't run fast, shoot, tackle or cross the ball, I's say sack him

If CH had been responsible for not signing David Brookes despite being highly recommended by the scouting team on the back of the analysts algorithms, I'd say sack him.

If CH had been responsible for having a bottom three wage budget in the Premier League, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for the drink culture that's been alleged at the club amongst some senior pros, I'd say sack him.

 

[pigbite]

Bloom missed his best chance to get most on board with his decision. He didn't decide the manager had to go on Sunday evening or Monday morning, after the City game. He had already made his mind up. The trouble was, he got his timing wrong, maybe swayed by loyalty and respect and the feeling that he still believed CH could grind out a few points. Calculated and cynical, if that was the case. By delaying until the season had run its course, he put himself in the firing line and has now damaged his own reputation.

TB doesn't need to get most on board with his choices. He who pays the piper calls the tune. I get the point about CH's stock between the Cardiff result and the end of the season but the reality is that he has done so much for the club he will always be regarded by the majority of fans as one of, if not, the best managers the club has ever had. His dignity and class is exceptional and we were lucky to have him but that alone does not win football matches.

No one except those involved know what really went on, and even then may have different interpretations and conclusions about the situation.

The ultimate fact is that we shall never know if this is a good or bad choice in terms of what CH may or may not have achieved next season. Even in the worst case scenario that the new guy makes a pigs ear of it all and we do a Huddersfield there is no guarantee that the same situation would not have occurred with CH. TB would still be getting grief if he'd done it earlier. TB would get grief if he did at in a week, a month, next Christmas. If it all goes pear shaped he will get grief whatever he does or does not do. If it goes well then everything will be forgotten and that's the bet he is making.

 

[Southern Scouse]

For everything he has done for our club, it’s Tony.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a centre forward who by his own admission doesn't like heading the ball, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a record signing winger who can't run fast, shoot, tackle or cross the ball, I's say sack him

If CH had been responsible for having a bottom three wage budget in the Premier League, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for the drink culture that's been alleged at the club amongst some senior pros, I'd say sack him.

Well, if you know all about all this, then so will he. He approves all signings. He must know about the boozing (and the only reason we played well against the Arse is because certain players never had the time to go out and get shit faced after survival was secured by Cardiff's loss). As for budget, the salaries posted on here recently looked pretty good to me. CH certainly knows what money is available, and I don't recall him doing a Maureen about tight fistedness in the boardroom.

More importantly, I don't agree with your apparent assumption that when a manager is sacked it is scapegoating by definition, or your apparent view that unless the manager can be blamed for every shortcoming at a club then he should be kept in his job forever.

TB is entitled to refresh the management, and I am pleased that he has the balls to do so, and will doubtless take no notice of accusations of scapegoating or the equally ludicrous 'racism'.

 

[Marshy]

I think the timing was perfect to be honest. I'm not a fan of the desperate sacking with half a dozen games to go.

Now is the perfect time to change a manager.

 

[El Presidente]

TB is entitled to refresh the management, and I am pleased that he has the balls to do so.

He is entitled indeed to refresh the management, and you're entitled to be pleased to see a good, honest man be sacked.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He is entitled indeed to refresh the management, and you're entitled to be pleased to see a good, honest man be sacked.

Bloom OUT it is then.

When shall we march to picket outside his mansion, a la the Mellor demo?

 

[Fungus]

I know why you asked that

No, no, it's nothing to do with my wife. Honest.

 

[El Presidente]

Bloom OUT it is then.

When shall we march to picket ouside his mansion, a la the Mellor demo?

Only if you pay for the flights to Australia x

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Only as a PR exercise the timing looks harsh.

In reality he got it completely right.

Agree. Swerved the unsettling effect of hastily bringing in a new man or caretaker with a month of the season still to go. Tho hearing the team booed off the field at the Amex and seeing us described as anti-football in the media will have made his mind up at that point shirley. Leaving the sacking til the morning after the season finished allows the maximum amount of time to set up ready for the new season.

 

[Hu_Camus]

[MENTION=8183]pigbite[/MENTION]
Agree with the gist of this post.
That was a very close call season past, and I can understand the decision to change manager.
CH will be remembered fondly I'm sure, and I wouldn't even bemoan him doing well at Palsarse, but something had to change.
I felt that his outlook was too cautious, and maybe that was the result of a pre-season chat with some visiting Norwich fans..... but travelling fans tend to be more committed and analytical I've found.
Personally, I hope he retires....he's done his shift in this industry, and he's not a young man anymore.
Best of luck, Chris.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a centre forward who by his own admission doesn't like heading the ball, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a record signing winger who can't run fast, shoot, tackle or cross the ball, I's say sack him

If CH had been responsible for not signing David Brookes despite being highly recommended by the scouting team on the back of the analysts algorithms, I'd say sack him.

If CH had been responsible for having a bottom three wage budget in the Premier League, I'd say sack him

If CH had been responsible for the drink culture that's been alleged at the club amongst some senior pros, I'd say sack him.

Your first 3 reasons were tackled by bringing in Dan Ashworth, so Chris obviously not been the scapegoat there.

Your last point, in my view, lands firmly at the managers door. Chris seems like a nice guy, so did the lads on the lash take advantage of his good nature? I remember reading that Sir Alex Ferguson once turned up at a house party and made Lee Sharpe go home. Different times though.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

He is entitled indeed to refresh the management, and you're entitled to be pleased to see a good, honest man be sacked.

It is a results business mate with massive financial consequences, you should know that more than most. It is not a competition for the next Pope

 

[HastingsSeagull]

Nope. Totally wrong. Newcastle and Norwich both did that and went down.

He probably decided then but knew the best chance to stay up was to let Chris finish the job, grind out some boring 0-0's against good sides and then quickly thank him and move on the moment the season was done.

 

[Brovion]

I think that had we been relegated he may well have stuck with him as CH knows how to get a team promoted from the championship. The fact we stayed up meant he had a tough decision to make and he like many others couldn't face another season of what we have just had to endure so end of the seaosn was probably the right time. ITs never a good time to sack a manager who has given the club so much so sometimes you just have to do it regardless of the surrounding circumstances.

We move on and look forward to a new manager, hopefully new signings and a new season with a fresh start however good or bad it turns out to be.

That's a very good point. Weirdly CH may be the only manager to lose his job by NOT being relegated.

 

[Bozza]

I'm really not sure how you can know, so definitively, what the Albion's recruitment process is. You'll know what someone has told you, certainly, but you won't know how accurate it is, nor what agenda it is coming from.

But let's play the game anyway...

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a centre forward who by his own admission doesn't like heading the ball, I'd say sack him

So, you know for a fact that Chris Hughton did not want Jurgen Locadia to be recruited, and stated this?

If CH had been responsible for recruiting a record signing winger who can't run fast, shoot, tackle or cross the ball, I's say sack him

As above - did Hughton resist this signing in the strongest possible way?

The fact is all player recruitment, at every level, involves taking a chance. No player signing is guaranteed to work out. You seem to be suggesting that Hughton had absolutely nothing to do with Albion's recruitment. I really don't believe that, but even if he didn't, the system and people you are looking to blame have had a fair number of hits, assembling the squad that got us up and kept us up twice. There's little point me listing the successes, player by player, as we all know them.

IIf CH had been responsible for not signing David Brookes despite being highly recommended by the scouting team on the back of the analysts algorithms, I'd say sack him.

A lot of clubs didn't sign David Brookes. A lot of clubs will have looked at him. Should they be sacking their managers/recruitment teams too?

If CH had been responsible for having a bottom three wage budget in the Premier League, I'd say sack him

Given those limitations, it sounds like those you want to blame did well to assemble a squad capable of staying up, no?

If CH had been responsible for the drink culture that's been alleged at the club amongst some senior pros, I'd say sack him.

Who is responsible for squad discipline if not the manager?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

He is entitled indeed to refresh the management, and you're entitled to be pleased to see a good, honest man be sacked.

And that is the crux of the matter. CH is very much a decent and honest man, but my god we have been appalling this season and not the least bit enjoyable to watch. The wins in the first half of the season papered over the cracks of previous season. We simply didn’t improve enough from last season.
Any other manager would have had the crowd on his back at Christmas and most likely be gone by February. But it was CH and so (quite rightly) he got a great deal more slack than most would have done. If he was the boss next season I wouldn’t have been disappointed but I would have been worried considering this seasons performance.

Sadly Life is not fair, never has been, never will be. This is a prime example of that fact.


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[el punal]

Only as a PR exercise the timing looks harsh.

In reality he got it completely right.

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The timing would have been harsh at any time. Most would probably have hoped that Chris could have resigned rather than have the indignity of being sacked. Even that was not possible as Tony Bloom decided to cull the coaching staff as well. All very sad though as probably most fans (and the board?) felt that Hughton could not take the team any further.