[Travel] Bad news for petrolheads!

[drew]

Rubbish........it cant and wont be fitted to all cars retrospectively.

I agree that it won't be fitted to 'all' cars but I find it hard to believe that, if there was a will to do it, it could be fitted to most cars already on the road.

 

[Stat Brother]

I agree that it won't be fitted to 'all' cars but I find it hard to believe that, if there was a will to do it, it could be fitted to most cars already on the road.

Would they be able to give my car the ability to get up to 70mph?

 

[drew]

Would they be able to give my car the ability to get up to 70mph?

Yes, but they might need to enlist the help of Elon Musk!

 

[Ubuntu]

As long as they have no intention of fitting any limiters to bikes .. mi don’t want the risk of anything braking for me when I’m not expecting it .

 

[Garage_Doors]

As long as they have no intention of fitting any limiters to bikes .. mi don’t want the risk of anything braking for me when I’m not expecting it .

 

[GT49er]

Rubbish........it cant and wont be fitted to all cars retrospectively.

LIKE SEAT BELTS AND CHILD CAR SEATS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE FITTED RETROSCTIVELY, EH?

Sorry - didn't realise I had caps lock on!

 

[swindonseagull]

LIKE SEAT BELTS AND CHILD CAR SEATS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE FITTED RETROSCTIVELY, EH?

Sorry - didn't realise I had caps lock on!

In the UK, a requirement for anchorage points was introduced in 1965, followed by the requirement in 1968 to fit three-point belts in the front outboard positions on all new cars and all existing cars back to 1965. Successive UK Governments proposed, but failed to deliver, seat belt legislation throughout the 1970s. Front seat belts were compulsory equipment on all new cars registered in the UK from 1972, although it did not become compulsory for them to be worn until 1983. Rear seat belts were compulsory equipment from 1986 and became compulsory for them to be worn in 1991. However, it has never been a legal requirement for cars registered before those dates to be fitted with seat belts.

As you can see seat belts were never retrospectively fitted.

Now the technology in the speed limiters are not just fitting bolts in fitted anchorage points....it will require cameras to 'see' the speed limit, it will require software to tell the car to adhere to the speed limit, it will require a mechanical linkage to the accelerator pedal for feedback, it will require an override, it will require calibration for speed, thats just the bits I have read about.

Its not as simple as an insurance telematics box using a sim card and possible GPS.

 

[beorhthelm]

LIKE SEAT BELTS AND CHILD CAR SEATS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE FITTED RETROSCTIVELY, EH?

Sorry - didn't realise I had caps lock on!

seat belts dont have to be fitted to cars that did not have them as original fitting. nor indicators or wing mirrors. nor emissions regulations applied. child seats aren't fitted to any cars, take in and out as you please. generally legislation isnt applied retrospectively.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Fewer accidents, less time taken up by the police and big savings for the NHS?

Less man hours neede for policing and nursing, reduced funding for both, less staff employed, more people reliant on the state. Utterly unlikely outcome in reality but you get the gist. Life in years to come will be soooo much safer but oh so kin boring. Mountaineers and sailors next.

 

[studio150]

Interesting looking at what data is already available from telemetric devices - I get a monthly report from Admiral based on junior's driving.....and an overall rating. Easy to see how this could be extended to all vehicles and shared with insurance companies

But who owns the data, you, the manufacturer or the insurer?

It's different from the Admiral set up, as the telematics will be standard from the manufacturers

 

[studio150]

Would they be able to give my car the ability to get up to 70mph?

Yes, you just need to install a few more pedals and pedal faster

 

[dazzer6666]

But who owns the data, you, the manufacturer or the insurer?

It's different from the Admiral set up, as the telematics will be standard from the manufacturers

Good question. Brace yourself for signing something when you buy a new car I reckon.....

 

[El Presidente]

Less man hours neede for policing and nursing, reduced funding for both, less staff employed, more people reliant on the state. Utterly unlikely outcome in reality but you get the gist. Life in years to come will be soooo much safer but oh so kin boring. Mountaineers and sailors next.

Surely policing and nursing resources can be redeployed to other issues?

I remember a similar reaction to the introduction of drink driving laws, compulsory use of seatbelts and smoking bans in pubs and restaurants, I genuinely feel my life is safer, healthier and better as a result but all three are an erosion of personal freedoms.


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[GT49er]

In the UK, a requirement for anchorage points was introduced in 1965, followed by the requirement in 1968 to fit three-point belts in the front outboard positions on all new cars and all existing cars back to 1965. Successive UK Governments proposed, but failed to deliver, seat belt legislation throughout the 1970s. Front seat belts were compulsory equipment on all new cars registered in the UK from 1972, although it did not become compulsory for them to be worn until 1983. Rear seat belts were compulsory equipment from 1986 and became compulsory for them to be worn in 1991. However, it has never been a legal requirement for cars registered before those dates to be fitted with seat belts.

As you can see seat belts were never retrospectively fitted.

Now the technology in the speed limiters are not just fitting bolts in fitted anchorage points....it will require cameras to 'see' the speed limit, it will require software to tell the car to adhere to the speed limit, it will require a mechanical linkage to the accelerator pedal for feedback, it will require an override, it will require calibration for speed, thats just the bits I have read about.

Its not as simple as an insurance telematics box using a sim card and possible GPS.

".......the requirement in 1968 to fit three-point belts in the front outboard positions on all new cars and all existing cars back to 1965."

Which bit of 'retrospective' does not apply here?

 

[Steve in Japan]

Grab yourself a car before these restrictions come into play is my recommendtion, it’ll be years later that they ban cars that you drive yourself without big brother limiting how you drive.

Yup, make a note in your diary to buy a fck off car just before the new regulations come in. Last chance you'll get to have a decent car.

It was fun while it lasted, but the future will be battery powered rubber trikes, capped at 5 mph. And make sure you wear a helmet. And a condom. Just in case.

 

[Stat Brother]

Surely policing and nursing resources can be redeployed to other issues?

I remember a similar reaction to the introduction of drink driving laws, compulsory use of seatbelts and smoking bans in pubs and restaurants, I genuinely feel my life is safer, healthier and better as a result but all three are an erosion of personal freedoms.


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That's because people, as a rule, are idiots.

My Dad would drive smashed, his line to my mother was 'we're all safer with me driving drunk than you driving sober'!
He indiscriminately smoked.

In 30 years time Jnr will be saying 'that's nothing when I was a kid my Dad ...'.

I have no idea what those dots might be, but I'm blooming sure whatever it is will make me look an idiot.

 

[swindonseagull]

".......the requirement in 1968 to fit three-point belts in the front outboard positions on all new cars and all existing cars back to 1965."

Which bit of 'retrospective' does not apply here?

The bolt anchorages were already there so not exactly retro fitted from scratch...

 

[GT49er]

The bolt anchorages were already there so not exactly retro fitted from scratch...

They weren't required to be fitted to cars in 1965-7. So probably weren't, especially imports.

 

[Mr Putdown]

Motoway slip road speed limit.

I live in Dorset these days. We have no motorways whatsoever, but we have plenty of dual carriage ways and the odd bit of three lane road. Plenty of them restrict you to 40mph before joining said multi lane roads which are filled with cars doing 70+

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's always puzzled me why many people pour scorn on any car, even a basic family runabout, that can't go 100mph, when the speed limit is 70mph. Cars like 2CVs and Fiat 500s were objects of derision, even though they could travel at 70mph - yet manufacturers kept turning out cars capable of 100mph plus, even the likes of Nissan Micras.

One question though - I'd be interested to know if anybody has the answer. Up to a few months ago, yes, the motorway was 70, but there was a highly unofficial but widely accepted limit for all practical purposes of 80mph. I've been told that by service police officers too - if traffic was moving (in normal conditions) at 80mph they were quite happy about it. Travelling on motorways it was quite evident that nearly all the cars were doing about 80 (white vans a little more!) so I went 80mph too, just watched to make sure my speed didn't creep up to more than that.
Then, about 6 months ago, I set out on to the M5 and sped up to my usual 80 - and suddenly realised that nobody else was. Virtually every vehicle was doing a strict 70mph (OK, maybe 71 or 72, but not more) and so it has been on the motorway ever since (and I'm not talking about the bits covered by those variable speed limits). Was there some announcement that they were going to clamp down on people exceeding the 70mph limit, when most drivers had routinely been doing 80 or so for years, unpunished, and with the tacit consent of the police? I never heard or saw any such, but the change overnight was so dramatic as to be remarkable.

Acceleration - to 'take off' quickly you need enough power. Hard to have high power without high top speed. This is increasingly the case as the size of the car gets bigger. A tiny two seater made of aluminium could do 0-60 in 5 seconds and a top speed of only around 80, but the top speed would be much greater for a family estate.

Yes we all drive at 80 on the motorway. Except we don't when the speed average cams are out. M25 is very 70ish. M2 and M20 somewhat less so. When cars go off the M25 onto the M26 the speed boots up an extra 20 MPH in many cases. M25 is slightly different because you only need a few hundred people going 70 then the rest have to because it is nose to tail on so much of it so much of the time, and traffic in a procession can go only go as fast as the slowest care.