[Albion] Do we really have to take this Orwellian s**t from our club ? remember we are the customer

[Goldstone1976]

Mildly irritating to be sure, but that’s the extent of it for me. As someone else said on one of the other threads, cling film is your friend. Wrap a small piece around a £1 or £2 coin to keep it uncrumpled before you leave home and cover the uncapped bottle as soon as you get on the concourse. Job done.

 

[el punal]

Doesn’t seem to bother or affect Bournemouth with their League One gates

I’m sure I read in an article recently that Bournemouth’s gate receipts only account for 4% of their turnover. They’d better not relegated anytime soon!

 

[spence]

But it’s not hypocritical, is it? Unfortunately we live in an age where a terrorist attack, however unlikely you may think, could be on a football stadium. The club are following procedures to ensure the safety of you and I. From being searched at the turnstiles, to not taking in flasks, and not allowing bottles with tops on. Inconvenient it may be, but that’s all it is, and it has never stopped me enjoying watching the football.

Just as side note - when I told a friend of mine (who happens to be in the “know” on security issues) about the flask ban he was amazed that it hadn’t been implemented before, inferring that a flask is a container of choice for whatever nasty stuff nasty people want to put in it. On that basis we should be grateful, however over the top it seems, that the club are responding to any type of threat, trivial or not.

That's just you swallowing that shit. The Manchester bomber i believe turned up once people left the arena. You don't have to enter the stadium to cause mass carnage.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don’t know, I’m not a munitions expert! All I’m saying is that the club are following guidelines set by the powers that be regarding security and safety issues. I suppose I would be annoyed if I took a flask of tea, or whatever, into the ground on a regular basis and then told I couldn’t. Having said that is it any more inconvenient than not being allowed to smoke within the confines of the stadium? All these rules and regs being applied unfortunately are symptomatic of today’s society and we just have to put up with them. Fundamentally, though, we all go to the Amex to watch our team play football - at least that hasn’t impinged on my enjoyment!

The guidance is here.

Nothing about banning drinks, bottle tops or flasks.

 

[el punal]

That's just you swallowing that shit. The Manchester bomber i believe turned up once people left the arena. You don't have to enter the stadium to cause mass carnage.

No, I’m not swallowing shit - that happened to be a pulled pork bap from a kiosk in the West Upper a year ago. I’m just, sort of, playing devil’s advocate, as in it hasn’t happened yet but it could. Anyway my prime consideration in all of this is to go and watch the football and support my team.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Serious question - has a flask ever been used in a terrorist attack anywhere in the history of our planet?

I just don't think of little 70 year old fellas from Shoreham being your usual targets for radicalisation, although it sounds like a half decent plot for an elderly terrorist comedy film.

Would appreciate help with titles, only got Geriatric Jihad so far.

No, but The Bottle Top Bomber has a certain ring to it. I wonder if the ISIS PR have thought of this?

 

[BrickTamland]

With a stretch of the imagination I can understand flasks being banned, but bottle caps, plastic bottle caps? That one does boggle the mind.

 

[rippleman]

I disagree!

I am NOT a customer. A customer has a choice.

I am, say, a customer of Tesco. If Tesco can't supply what I want at the right price, I will become a customer of Asda. I have no loyalty.

This is where Barber has got into some fans heads by referring to us, and viewing us as customers...not as supporters. However much Barber pisses me off I'm not going to become a customer of another club! I will always support BHAFC and no other. Barber is slowly but surely killing my love for the club. He won't care if I stop going; there is a waiting list to take my ticket. He might not be quite so cocky if things go wrong and we get relegated. He might then regret introducing so many farcical and illogical rules and regulations.

 

[Icy Gull]

I disagree!

I am NOT a customer. A customer has a choice.

I am, say, a customer of Tesco. If Tesco can't supply what I want at the right price, I will become a customer of Asda. I have no loyalty.

This is where Barber has got into some fans heads by referring to us, and viewing us as customers...not as supporters. However much Barber pisses me off I'm not going to become a customer of another club! I will always support BHAFC and no other. Barber is slowly but surely killing my love for the club. He won't care if I stop going; there is a waiting list to take my ticket. He might not be quite so cocky if things go wrong and we get relegated. He might then regret introducing so many farcical and illogical rules and regulations.

Be gone if we go down, guaranteed.

 

[hart's shirt]

And having taken all the bottle tops, it's easy to see where Paul Barber is going with the pre-match entertainment.

 

[Baldseagull]

Finally, we are also aware of a very small number of fans who chose to continue to ignore stadium rules by bringing flasks into the stadium, or by concealing bottle tops for use later. Anyone doing this is liable to ejection from the stadium and further stadium and ticketing sanctions. The club will not issue any further warnings.

When I got this email it made my blood boil . The very minor incidents involving a few Chelsea fans are being used to basically oppress us further . Okay there are bigger things going on in the world today but I am angry as all these decisions are more revenue focused than related to safety issues . Brighton happily serve expensive alcohol to pissed up idiots who've had too much already but won't let an OAP bring in a flask of tea . Hypocrites.

It's as though a major incident has happened at a game . Has it ? No . Now we can't bring bottle tops or flasks . Have they completely lost the plot ? They are threatening to ban people who bring flasks . Have they gone mad ? Take a step back and look at what you are actually saying for goodness sake . It just creates a bad feeling . " the club will not issue any further warnings ? " Or what - you going to line us up against the wall and shoot us ? It sounds like that .


Remember we are the customers - you are the lucky recipients of our time, loyalty and money . Without us you are nothing . So stop treating us like naughty children and treat us like customers .

I will say the message could have been friendlier and conveyed some sympathy for the terrible loss of freedoms imposed on sensible, mature, non-terrorist, peace loving, always calm and never likely to misbehave at all, supporters, but it is legislated in the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 that an offence is committed if any person enters the stadium with, or takes into an area where the event can be viewed directly.
(3)This section applies to any article capable of causing injury to a person struck by it, being—
(a)a bottle, can or other portable container (including such an article when crushed or broken) which—
(i)is for holding any drink, and
(ii)is of a kind which, when empty, is normally discarded or returned to, or left to be recovered by, the supplier, or
(b)part of an article falling within paragraph (a) above;but does not apply to anything that is for holding any medicinal product (within the meaning of the M1Medicines Act 1968)

When an incident occurs, one that this act has been produced to deter, then the club is probably going to get in the shit if it is perceived as not taking steps to prevent and deter it from happening, however rare.

It is probably better to complain to your MP if you think the law is daft, but after incidences which have prompted the club to remind us of the rules, it would seem the law may be required.

 

[spence]

I disagree!

I am NOT a customer. A customer has a choice.

I am, say, a customer of Tesco. If Tesco can't supply what I want at the right price, I will become a customer of Asda. I have no loyalty.

This is where Barber has got into some fans heads by referring to us, and viewing us as customers...not as supporters. However much Barber pisses me off I'm not going to become a customer of another club! I will always support BHAFC and no other. Barber is slowly but surely killing my love for the club. He won't care if I stop going; there is a waiting list to take my ticket. He might not be quite so cocky if things go wrong and we get relegated. He might then regret introducing so many farcical and illogical rules and regulations.

I on the other hand try not to let it get to me like yourself. I deliberately spend very little at the Amex now. I buy a hot drink or two and that's it. Certainly never buy food. I brought a BHA sow on badge off ebay a couple of months back and got the missus to put it on an old jacket.
I even changed my travel plans so i arrive as late as possible to the ground. I use to drink near Brighton station and get the train. Now i catch the 25 bus and drink in north street which means i can arrive even later,
Falling that i use the park and ride and because of that i never drink anyway.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

At the end of the day, do we go to a football match to drink coffee? or to errr wach a game of footbal?, (radical idea l know). Let's face it if people want a cup of coffee they can easily buy one from a kiosk anyway.

Sorry but l really don't see this as a problem at all.

 

[disgruntled h blocker]

From next year it'll be an opt-out only auto-enrollment to a "Gold Membership" and with only food/drink purchased inside the ground to be consumed. Makes things easy for me, I simply will not bother to queue up for a £2.20 PG Tips or instant coffee.

 

[Baldseagull]

Serious question - has a flask ever been used in a terrorist attack anywhere in the history of our planet?

I just don't think of little 70 year old fellas from Shoreham being your usual targets for radicalisation, although it sounds like a half decent plot for an elderly terrorist comedy film.

Would appreciate help with titles, only got Geriatric Jihad so far.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34396939

 

[rippleman]

For the money hundreds, if not thousands, of fans who this morning are thinking "Shit!! How the **** am I going to be able to throw my plastic fizzy pop bottle on the pitch now", a handy hint.

Secrete some blu tack or toilet tissue about your person. Seal bottle opening with either.

Tada! You will now be able to throw your bottle almost the same distance and with similar velocity as if the cap was safely screwed on.

Hopefully this public service announcement will save many a sleepless night.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I once had to pour 500ml of water on to the floor at a day festival because I had a litre bottle of water and you could only bring in 500ml.

Didn't find my gurners though.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I don’t know, I’m not a munitions expert! All I’m saying is that the club are following guidelines set by the powers that be regarding security and safety issues. I suppose I would be annoyed if I took a flask of tea, or whatever, into the ground on a regular basis and then told I couldn’t. Having said that is it any more inconvenient than not being allowed to smoke within the confines of the stadium? All these rules and regs being applied unfortunately are symptomatic of today’s society and we just have to put up with them. Fundamentally, though, we all go to the Amex to watch our team play football - at least that hasn’t impinged on my enjoyment!

I think we worked out you were not an expert, rather someone with an opinion.

How about looking at what "terrorist" are up to...knife attacks ...cars and lorries running into people. So to use your argument, as we are all going to be killed by these people, why are we not searching everyone when they get in the train, or busses? Why are they letting cars and vans into village way or along the a27 on match days? The searching to be honest for those of us who have or work in London is an absolute joke and wouldn't spot anything by gently " patting" arms and legs. My mate had finished playing darts, and jumped on the bus to the Amex. He forgot he had his pack of darts in his pocket and the steward missed it...he only remembered half way through the match when looking for a coin to Throw!

If you want to subjugate a society, tell them that terrorists want to kill them all in the most horrible way...simples.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

For the money hundreds, if not thousands, of fans who this morning are thinking "Shit!! How the **** am I going to be able to throw my plastic fizzy pop bottle on the pitch now", a handy hint.

Secrete some blu tack or toilet tissue about your person. Seal bottle opening with either.

Tada! You will now be able to throw your bottle almost the same distance and with similar velocity as if the cap was safely screwed on.

Hopefully this public service announcement will save many a sleepless night.

That sounds like a Viz 'Top Tip' - Thank You...

If i were ISIS, I'd look to radicalise that pot-bellied berk at Pompey. Imagine packing his drum with 'boom-bang'... he could blow his wig all the way to Anfield.

"In you go John... hey.. that's not a fancy big flask is it?"

"No, it's a sodding great drum"

"Cool.. in you go."

 

[Bozza]

Are the following numbers correct over the lifetime of the Amex?

Club officials projecting a bottle into the crowd: 1
Fans projecting a bottle onto the pitch: 0

We've had, at a guess, somewhere between 3,500,000 and 4,000,000 fans at the Amex to date.