General Election 2017

[ManOfSussex]

Just had a quick look at the bookies.

Caroline Lucas is 1.10 (1/10 in old money) to win. That's buying money isn't it? Can someone explain to me how she could lose...

She's up against a Hastings boy - a homeboy like me - that's all.

 

[Bozza]

It's tough to imagine why some have the impression that you're a Tory, Boz.

That wasn't a comment on the Tories (and I'm not anyway as explained ad finitum on here), more on a certain type of Brightonian who seems to feel the need to shout as loudly as possible "Look at us - we're REALLY different!!!1!!" as often as possible.

And I say that as someone who absolutely adores Brighton.

 

[The Large One]

I personally know people who were part of the Platts campaign. It was a small army working at full pelt, 24-7, for a month. They were shocked when Kirby won.

Nancy Platts was an excellent candidate.

Instead of putting more resources into winning that marginal seat, Labour put a lot of effort into unseating Caroline Lucas - and it backfired. Twice over.

 

[Eeyore]

Kemp Town is far too close to call.

Bearing in mind much UKIP's 2015 vote came from disaffected Labour and Tory voters, it's not easy to determine where their vote will go - if anywhere. Assuming the same number of people vote as last time, we can fairly safely say almost all Green voters from 2015 will vote Labour. I'd suggest Kirby needs to pick up that UKIP vote in order to return to Westminster - and that's far from guaranteed, especially as he voted Remain.

The incumbent often has the advantage, but this time around Labour has been working hard in Kemptown in ways that they didn't in 2015, where Nancy Platts was let down.

Me being one (although I've done a vote swap with a Labour supporter for Caroline).

I'm not convinced it's sufficient although I so hope to be wrong.

I remember Morgan's rant at Green voters in 2015. He didn't respond when I suggested that if they hadn't tried to unseat Caroline we would have looked with more favour.

Despite saying they are properly contesting Pavilion the lad they have in there is placed for experience.

Hove is interesting. I know folk like Kyle but I see it as New Labour territory so I worry a lot are not well disposed towards Corbyn.

 

[Bozza]

How much will they let you put on?

Dunno without trying, and I haven't yet. It's William Hill if you're interested.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Labour landslide over Kirby. The other anti Tory parties pulling out, handed it to Labour on a silver platter.

10,000 margin.

You mean the anti-Tory UKIP that polled 2000 more votes than the Greens?

Kemptown will be very very close

 

[Weststander]

It's tough to imagine why some have the impression that you're a Tory, Boz.

But it was the same with Brexit, when countless millions of Labour and former Labour voters voted to leave the EU.

In Brighton and London, there was angry talk from Remoaners that they knew best, and if only they somehow secede from the UK to stay part of the EU.

 

[Gwylan]

You are of course inherently predicting a Tory overall majority in the Commons, going against the media narrative over the last three weeks of a Tory disaster and Labour/Coalition government

I don't where you've read that: every single opinion poll has the Tories in the lead and nearly every single paper (from left or right) has predicted a Tory majority. The one exception was a piece in the Independent that thought there'd be a hung parliament ... but that's now stepped back in line and predicts a 74 seat majority

 

[Eeyore]

Just had a quick look at the bookies.

Caroline Lucas is 1.10 (1/10 in old money) to win. That's buying money isn't it? Can someone explain to me how she could lose...

A better bet is her getting 50% of the vote. I reckon she'll fall just shy.

 

[HantsSeagull]

Actually, I'm not.

You've already wasted your time with your silly 'champagne socialist' comment. You can't back it up, as it doesn't mean anything.

i can - i just can't be arsed to talk to someone who is clearly rather aggressive. funny that.

 

[TSB]

That wasn't a comment on the Tories (and I'm not anyway as explained ad finitum on here), more on a certain type of Brightonian who seems to feel the need to shout as loudly as possible "Look at us - we're REALLY different!!!1!!" as often as possible.

And I say that as someone who absolutely adores Brighton.

[MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] has really got to you, hasn't he?
I don't see any shame in the three B&H seats being historical swings. In fact I think it's brilliant that we actually get an individual say in our representatives. It must be so dull, politically, to live in Islington or Henley.
But I'd agree that the sneering at anyone who votes differently in other parts of the South is crass and a little pathetic.

 

[Weststander]

You mean the anti-Tory UKIP that polled 2000 more votes than the Greens?

Kemptown will be very very close

What about the students (mainly newcomers to the city) who've rushed to register? The final bribe was McDonnell mentioned at the weekend about somehow cancelling all historical student loans full stop. Might be a lie but a vote winner if ever there was one - imagine if a party promised to pay off one third of your mortgage capital balance, if in government.

 

[Bozza]

Actually, I'm not.

You've already wasted your time with your silly 'champagne socialist' comment. You can't back it up, as it doesn't mean anything.

Both the Oxford English and Collins English dictionaries include the term, and they each also have a definition which suggests they, at least, think it means something.

"A person who espouses socialist ideals while enjoying a wealthy and luxurious lifestyle" and "a professed socialist who enjoys an extravagant lifestyle" in case you're wondering.

 

[Bozza]

[MENTION=1416]But I'd agree that the sneering at anyone who votes differently in other parts of the South is crass and a little pathetic.

That's all I was getting at.

I'm not sure I've ever noticed [MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] doing the "Oh we're so Brighton!" thing. It doesn't strike me as his sort of thing.

 

[Weststander]

[MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] has really got to you, hasn't he?
I don't see any shame in the three B&H seats being historical swings. In fact I think it's brilliant that we actually get an individual say in our representatives. It must be so dull, politically, to live in Islington or Henley.
But I'd agree that the sneering at anyone who votes differently in other parts of the South is crass and a little pathetic.

I also like that diversity in our city.

By contrast, the people of say Sunderland always have Labour MP's and those of Richmond/Harrogate/Catterick Tory MP's, no matter how lazy or unrepresentative in Commons voting of their public.

MP's here are scrutinised and have to work hard.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

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[Bry Nylon]

Just a few hours till the polls open - anyone else still in a quandary?

Not much of choice is it? I can't recall a time with such a dearth of political talent and lack of inspirational vision in any party.

I have always voted, happily and decisively, but for the first time ever I am a total loss as to what to do.

Only 4 candidates standing in my constituency: Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and UKIP.

Labour I discount immediately. I wouldn't be adverse to voting Labour under different circumstances, but I can't endorse Corbyn and McDonnell. Similarly, no way will I vote Lib Dem or UKIP. So that leaves the Conservatives.

Again, I wouldn't be adverse to voting Conservative - it is probably the natural home for my vote. But they have run an appalling campaign in a totally unnecessary election called purely for Mrs May's benefit and not the country's. Put simply, I don't believe they deserve my vote this time so why should I give it to them.

I can't NOT vote, so hence my being at a total loss. I still believe a 'spoilt' ballot 'is the best way I can register my complete exasperation with this whole sorry state of affairs. And for me, that is a crying shame.

Maybe I'll have a moment of clarity on my way to the polling station tomorrow morning and find myself able to make a positive choice, but time is running out...

 

[Bozza]

The General Election 2017 "Through The Night" thread

In just over 24 hours the fun will all begin with the exit polls being published to a waiting nation and it becomes very much "game on" for those who have plans to go through the night and see the drama unfold.

As I get older, I struggle more with these now so for the first time ever I'm contemplating trying to see if I can get a couple of hours sleep before kick-off.

I'm also questioning whether my usual approach to drink my way through is wise. Maybe I'll have greater endurance if I steer clear of the booze.

I'll eat my body weight in crisps though. That's a given.

Who's planning to go through the night, or most of it, and what is your plan of attack?

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[Bry Nylon]

I'll be there Bozza, as usual

I bloody LOVE election night.