The ultimate REFERENDUM thread

[The Birdman]

Some guy on BBC has just said the Uk taught the world how to trade doesn't he know his history typical mis-information of the no vote , Slaves and drugs(opinum) other nations were trading well before we started our empire, and our early trading was assets stripping other countries but I am still proud of our empire.

 

[glasfryn]

treasury says we will be a lot worse off
is this the same treasury that found 23billion behind the sofa
its again a matter of who do you trust
OUT

 

[JC Footy Genius]

treasury says we will be a lot worse off
is this the same treasury that found 23billion behind the sofa
its again a matter of who do you trust
OUT

Absolutely right. I don't think any sensible person could believe the biased nonsense being espoused by the Government and yes some more money can be found after Brexit. We paid a £13 Billion pound membership fee last year to an organisation which is failing economically and politically. Who knows how high it will be in 3,5,10 years time.

 

[Norman Potting]

At last a feature on this matter that I can relate too.

http://newsthump.com/2016/04/18/bri...extinction-level-event-say-in-campaign-group/

My only concern is that I am sure that I have seen a very similar article from the "leave" campaigners, will there be a "not a clue" box on the ballot paper?

 

[drew]

Absolutely right. I don't think any sensible person could believe the biased nonsense being espoused by the Government and yes some more money can be found after Brexit. We paid a £13 Billion pound membership fee last year to an organisation which is failing economically and politically. Who knows how high it will be in 3,5,10 years time.

Why don't you be honest about the contributions? We got £4.5b back making a net contribution of £8,5b. You make statements like that at the same time accusing the Government of biased nonsense.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Osborne says this morning that the cost of Brexit could equate to £4300 per family. He may be wrong - some respected organisations say it could be half that. PwC have mentioned a total cost of up to £72bn. They could be wrong too. But even half of that dwarfs the bald contributions figures repeatedly claimed by the Brexit campaigners, presumably on the basis that if you shout something loud enough often enough people will start to believe it.

So this is what so many of them do, pausing only to scream "scaremonger" at any expert - Bank of England, IMF, you name them - who implies that their figures may be terribly misleading.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Why don't you be honest about the contributions? We got £4.5b back making a net contribution of £8,5b. You make statements like that at the same time accusing the Government of biased nonsense.

Stating a fact can hardly be nonsense or dishonest .. we paid £13 Billion to the EU last year. True?

 

[beorhthelm]

Osborne says this morning that the cost of Brexit could equate to £4300 per family. He may be wrong - some respected organisations say it could be half that. PwC have mentioned a total cost of up to £72bn. They could be wrong too. But even half of that dwarfs the bald contributions figures repeatedly claimed by the Brexit campaigners, presumably on the basis that if you shout something loud enough often enough people will start to believe it.

those numbers from Osborne and PWC are over the 13 years to 2030. recalculate the contributions on the same timescale and review. if we take the £8.5Bn net noted above, thats a total cost of £110Bn, and this assumes no increase in our contributions (there will be at least two rounds of increases by 2030).

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Stating a fact can hardly be nonsense or dishonest .. we paid £13 Billion to the EU last year. True?

Yep, and until recently I was spending a quarter of a million a year on my business, just like we send £13bn to the EU. Both figures may be true but they are also totally meaningless, as you know must know. It is bottom lines that count and Boris and Nige's implications that leaving the EU will save us £13bn are as nonsensical as me claiming that packing up my business will save me £250k a year. In every real sense they are lying.

 

[drew]

Stating a fact can hardly be nonsense or dishonest .. we paid £13 Billion to the EU last year. True?

Our contribution was £13b and we get £4.5b back. So the net cost is £8.4b. How the accountancy works I don't know, maybe you do. Possibly like VAT returns, you work out what you owe and and what you can deduct and pay the balance. Perhaps you could show records from the governments bank where we transferred to the EU £13b (or even just over £1b each month).

Fact is the Brexit enthusiasts like to portray the cost as more than it actually is rather than be honest.

 

[glasfryn]

Our contribution was £13b and we get £4.5b back. So the net cost is £8.4b. How the accountancy works I don't know, maybe you do. Possibly like VAT returns, you work out what you owe and and what you can deduct and pay the balance. Perhaps you could show records from the governments bank where we transferred to the EU £13b (or even just over £1b each month).

Fact is the Brexit enthusiasts like to portray the cost as more than it actually is rather than be honest.

8.4B just how many hospitals, schools, or even doctors, nurses, teachers can you buy with that
besides I don't want us to be a member of a federal europe, we stood alone for most of our existance, in fact we stood alone in protecting most of those ungrateful states that now are dictating whats,what to us
NO,NO,NO,

 

[sparkie]

8.4B just how many hospitals, schools, or even doctors, nurses, teachers can you buy with that

It may slightly offset the cuts required when the economy tanks, jobs are shed, the tax take plummets, and the welfare bill rockets ?

 

[5ways]

8.4B just how many hospitals, schools, or even doctors, nurses, teachers can you buy with that
besides I don't want us to be a member of a federal europe, we stood alone for most of our existance, in fact we stood alone in protecting most of those ungrateful states that now are dictating whats,what to us
NO,NO,NO,

We leave the EU and taxes go up because that 8.4 billion was bringing in many more billions in trade. If we leave the EU we either have to raise taxes here or put public works like better schools and hospitals on ice because we have a 36bn Brexit black hole. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...easury-forecasts/?cid=sf24558416&sf24558416=1

 

[gregbrighton]

We leave the EU and taxes go up because that 8.4 billion was bringing in many more billions in trade. If we leave the EU we either have to raise taxes here or put public works like better schools and hospitals on ice because we have a 36bn Brexit black hole. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...easury-forecasts/?cid=sf24558416&sf24558416=1

It's an appalling prospect that would mean a disaster for many families already struggling with Tory government cuts.

UK plc would become the poor man of Europe.

 

[glasfryn]

Vote IN. Vote Brexit and our nation will crumble.

sorry mate
but this nation has never crumbled, in fact the last time we crumbled was in 1066 and between then and now the ****ing world has tried to crush us and never succeeded...............nor ever will
hang on a minute I feel a Churchillian mode coming on .............................hand me the Gin and cigars

 

[sparkie]

8p in the pound rise in income tax

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

8p in the pound rise in income tax

is that a FACT or someone trying to scare you
regards
DR

 

[sparkie]

is that a FACT or someone trying to scare you
regards
DR

A fact - in that it's what the tax rise would have to be to cover the catastrophic losses of leaving the EU.

Clearly the Government could cut services, sell off assets, borrow more to offset it.

8p

 

[Triggaaar]

A fact - in that it's what the tax rise would have to be to cover the catastrophic losses of leaving the EU.

Ah, a fact in that it's not a fact, it's just complete made up bullshit.

 

[sparkie]

Ah, a fact in that it's not a fact, it's just complete made up bullshit.

No. It's not made up, just what the tax rise would be to offset the losses published today. There are of course other ways to offset the losses.

8p