matt
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- Mar 19, 2007
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Is that true or an NSC "FACT"?
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Genuine question regarding transfers and money losses
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Is that true or an NSC "FACT"?
warmleyseagull
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It's a good question that has had me foxed. The average gate last season was 26.2k. Guess average price is £25, so League attendances raised £15m, plus cup and PO match, say £16m, less VAT = £13.3m net. This is more than double most Championship clubs.
AND from what Barber says about take up of food and drink, there must be a big addition here. If average spend is £10, that is 10 x 26.2 x 25 matches = £6.6m. Margin is difficult as beer margins are low but I would hazard £1.5m overall, so total from gates plus catering around £15m.
The point about matchday staffing is fair but let's say we have 500 more than we need. Guess they get about £45 (6 hours x c.£7.50) per match shift, plus oncosts say £50. 500 x £50 x 25 matches = £625k, not a large proportion of the gate revenue.
So where does it all go? Have no insight on this, only thing to bear in mind that we have had minimal transfer income in, only esimated £1m for Nooney.
AND from what Barber says about take up of food and drink, there must be a big addition here. If average spend is £10, that is 10 x 26.2 x 25 matches = £6.6m. Margin is difficult as beer margins are low but I would hazard £1.5m overall, so total from gates plus catering around £15m.
The point about matchday staffing is fair but let's say we have 500 more than we need. Guess they get about £45 (6 hours x c.£7.50) per match shift, plus oncosts say £50. 500 x £50 x 25 matches = £625k, not a large proportion of the gate revenue.
So where does it all go? Have no insight on this, only thing to bear in mind that we have had minimal transfer income in, only esimated £1m for Nooney.
Diego Napier
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- Mar 27, 2010
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I imagine it's an NSC fact; from memory:
£M2.75 - CMS
£M2+ - Ulloa
£M 1 - Buckley
£M0.5 - Hoskins
£M0.5 - Harley
plus Kuszczak, LuaLua, Crofts, Dobbie and Orlandi over the last 2 years
would make it a middle to higher ranking budget.
dougdeep
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I thought it was said that we were about 8th in a spending league, mind you I could have dreamt it.
Woodingdean Gull
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You haven't once mentioned standard overheads such as players wages, staff wages, lighting, (which must be phenomenal), kit men , laundry, physios, pension contributions, employers N.I., policing on match day, etc., etc.
Why does everyone keep guessing at these figures and why is it of such interest anyway. is the OP hoping to prove that the figures are false or has he some ulterior motive?
Too much speculation when no-one who posts is privy to the facts.
seagullsovergrimsby
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The average price is less as season ticket holders match price pro rata is less than matchday price and you need the breakdown of kids (U10s/U18s) , adults , OAPs and concessions (eg disabled helper goes free) I believe the revenue from attendances barely covers overall wages at the club. All the other bills need to be paid as well.
nwgull
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Don't forget that your ticket price - for which I'm guessing the average is about £20 - includes VAT. So that's another 16.7% to knock off what we think is income.
Doesn't the club claim the VAT back?
nwgull
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I'm guessing that there's a bit of this involved as well.
Doh, that's on spending not income!!
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Plus the unsubsidised travel element included in the ticket price too. The club is still making up the difference of the true cost of the transport strategy without which we wouldn't have a stadium.
KZNSeagull
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Lots of info in here plus there was a very good Albion Roar about the accounts as well.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...uot-Albion-2012-financial-results-quot-thread
http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...uot-Albion-2012-financial-results-quot-thread
nwgull
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No. If the club sells you something for £12, £10 of that goes to the club and £2 is VAT, which will be paid to HM revenue.
The VAT on stuff that the club buys is claimed back in that it will be offset against the quarterly VAT bill that the club has to pay over.
The Large One
Who's Next?
Do you know who is paid what - aside from the "I was told that..." rumours?
Who is?
The Large One
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In terms of accounting, they won't be single year figures.
They are divided into the length of the individual contract.
So if Will Buckley's contract is three years, it will show as £333,333 per year.
Not necessarily... it actually depends on the clubs accounting policy and they would be justified in recognising and expensing the entire amount in the year of the transfer under IFRS regulation.
northstandsteve
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really if there are 300 stewards where are the other 1700 employed??
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
If there are 300 stewards inside the stadium , think of all those outside in the various car parks and the station area , stopping non resident vehicular access to Falmer village and monitoring the controlled parking zones.
warmleyseagull
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QUOTE=Woodingdean Gull;5799648]You haven't once mentioned standard overheads such as players wages, staff wages, lighting, (which must be phenomenal), kit men , laundry, physios, pension contributions, employers N.I., policing on match day, etc., etc.
Why does everyone keep guessing at these figures and why is it of such interest anyway. is the OP hoping to prove that the figures are false or has he some ulterior motive?
Too much speculation when no-one who posts is privy to the facts.[/QUOTE]
You miss the point - of course all these expenses need be incurred but I have no idea as to their quantum whereas we can speculate on income.
My point is that BHA has more income than most in Championship so £8m loss means we are spending well over £20m pa (if I am anyway near right). Just seems a lot, that is all. It ain't complicated.
If you don't like speculation, NSC is not the place for you.
Why does everyone keep guessing at these figures and why is it of such interest anyway. is the OP hoping to prove that the figures are false or has he some ulterior motive?
Too much speculation when no-one who posts is privy to the facts.[/QUOTE]
You miss the point - of course all these expenses need be incurred but I have no idea as to their quantum whereas we can speculate on income.
My point is that BHA has more income than most in Championship so £8m loss means we are spending well over £20m pa (if I am anyway near right). Just seems a lot, that is all. It ain't complicated.
If you don't like speculation, NSC is not the place for you.