How racist were albion fans in the 70's

[Del Fenner]

double post

 

[BHAZiggy]

It just reads like something you really wished you had the bollocks to do, but didnt.

My big mouth got me into trouble more than once as a teenager, including thrown out of the North Stand twice.

 

[BHAZiggy]

The NF had a stall every game outside the Northwest corner.The SWP had theirs about 50 yards away

Are you sure? I didn't think that Shaun Wright-Phillips had been born then.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They generally work longer hours and harder than us 'locals' so good luck to them. Must admit tho, when I watched a BBC news programme this morning coming from a school about the latest computers for teaching, virtually every pupil was from Indian/Pakistan/African communities. Living in Sussex I still find this a bit of a shock. Perhaps its my age (56). Before anyone slags me off I would point out my eldest son is married to a lovely Chinese girl and I am a proud Grand dad to their son.

i thought we had got away from these long working hours unless you signed out of that EU directive that said employers couldn't make you work more than 47 hours over a 12 week period . bad culture we've got rushing around at 100 miles an hour let the stupid ones do it i say

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Brighton was far from the worst place though, I went to watch Blackburn play Villa in the 90's with some mates, and Villa had Ian Taylor, Dalian Atkinson, Earl Barrett, Mark Walters, Gary Charles, Paul McGrath and Savo Milosevic.

I was in the Blackburn end and one of their HILARIOUS redneck fans shouted as Villa were passing it about "Ni**er to Ni**er to Ni**er to Ni**er to Commie", and his equally intellectually challenged pasty red faced overweight chums thought this the funniest thing they had ever heard by the way they guffawed.

Compared to the former mill towns of the north, Brighton is a far more tolerant place.

Blackburn town centre full of mosques now most of the white locals now live outside of the town centre, don't tell me that isn't true because my mate's from there ,went back there a few years ago and the mosques were emptying out and he said he felt like a foreigner in his own town ?

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

i thought we had got away from these long working hours unless you signed out of that EU directive that said employers couldn't make you work more than 47 hours over a 12 week period . bad culture we've got rushing around at 100 miles an hour let the stupid ones do it i say

'Das' my eldest daughter worked in hospitality at the Amex last season serving in Directors and giving the players their pre-match meals(I was made up!). They started off looking after the staff well. By the end of the season she was fecked over by her bosses who employed out of house (polish) staff. They soon got the boot but she had had her card marked and was never asked to work on a more permanent basis. Not sure if this was what you were going on about?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

'Das' my eldest daughter worked in hospitality at the Amex last season serving in Directors and giving the players their pre-match meals(I was made up!). They started off looking after the staff well. By the end of the season she was fecked over by her bosses who employed out of house (polish) staff. They soon got the boot but she had had her card marked and was never asked to work on a more permanent basis. Not sure if this was what you were going on about?

no SIMMO ,aimed at full time staff , had the choice of opting out of working long hours without being targeted by the company , came in maybe 25 years ago if i remember rightly ,some EU countries were working 37 hours then with some looking to reduce to 35 hours

 

[BHAZiggy]

What have mosques in Blackburn got to do with race? Islam is a religion and accepts members of any race. There are churches all over too. Christianity came from the same area as Islam.

 

[life on mars 73]

Was the NF girl called Caroline (maybe Carolyn ?) by any chance ? There was a pretty blonde girl who went to my school in Worthing in the 70's, recall seeing her in an NF party political broadcast a few years later.

Wonder what became of her ?

 

[Rodney Thomas]

What have mosques in Blackburn got to do with race? Islam is a religion and accepts members of any race. There are churches all over too. Christianity came from the same area as Islam.

Thats a fantastic reply!

 

[TheMajor]

Nice story Major, but like most of what goes on in your head, based on fantasy.

Palace were relegated from Division One on the 5th April 1981 after results involving other teams went against them. Their previous game was a 1-0 defeat away to Man Utd on the 4th April.

The 3-0 defeat to the Weed was two games later.

Source Smailes, Gordon (2000). The Breedon Book of Football Records. Derby: Breedon Books. pp. 146.

HTH

I'm the Martin Peters of the NSC - ahead of my time.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

Not read all the thread but times have changed and many things and words that are unacceptable now were commonplace back then.

We cannot re-write history but should learn from it.

 

[Common as Mook]

there arent any ethnic minorities of any note in brighton for starters

 

[Del Fenner]

I'm the Martin Peters of the NSC - ahead of my time.

No you are Chris Farlowe's bird, Out Of Time. It didn't happen. Brighton never relegated Palace in the 1980s.

Here is your very own thread on the matter.

 

[sagaman]

The last game at the Goldstone for me was tainted because of an Albion low life in the terrace in front of the west stand who kept shouting out vile abuse at a black Doncaster player

When I asked him to stop he threatened to " do my f...... head in" Deeply unpleasant

Brighton and Hove Albion v Doncaster Rovers - 26/04/1997 - Goldstone's Last Stand

 

[Gullys Cats]

I am genuinely shocked, I thought all Brighton fans were yogurt eating flower people!

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Was the NF girl called Caroline (maybe Carolyn ?) by any chance ? There was a pretty blonde girl who went to my school in Worthing in the 70's, recall seeing her in an NF party political broadcast a few years later.

Wonder what became of her ?

That's the girl, I know her surname but don't put it on here
And she was a stunner who lived out Findon way

 

[life on mars 73]

Yes, I often wondered how she got involved at such a high level with the NF, I never knew her well at aschool, but recall she was a funny, very pretty girl. Strange.

Back to the main thrust of the thread, times are indeed very different now. How many times, back in the late 60's and 70's, did you hear people talking approvingly about Enoch Powell ? Remember the dockers' march through East London in support of EP?

Just can't imagine that happening now, can you ?

 

[Muzzy]

In the late 70s and early '80s there was a very active anti-racist movement, of which 2-Tone was a big part, that stood up to NF and racist skinhead culture. Not all skinheads were racist, 2-Tone and reggae had a fair few skinhead followers - still does, when I saw The Beat in Brighton in 2011 there were plenty of skins there skanking away.

I started going in the North Stand around 1980 (chicken runner before that) and although you did hear racist comments I don't recall there being a general culture of racism. I remember Justin Fashanu getting a very hard time, but that was because he broke Andy Rollings' nose - that he was black was secondary. Other visiting fans were generally worse, Millwall and West Ham, Birmingham and Leeds especially. I am not being an apologist - I was part of the anti-racism movement - just trying to tell it as I remember it.

Black people were very rare in Brighton. It was a very different place -much more insular and 'small-town' than it is now. We had one lad in our year at Patcham Fawcett and he got terrible abuse and bullying. I remember giving 'evidence' on his behalf when he stood up to a bully and there was a bad fight.

Things have thankfully moved on for the better, but zero tolerance is the right approach.

PG

Was that a guy by the name of Manny or something similar? A very good young footballer.

 

[User removed 4]

Brighton was far from the worst place though, I went to watch Blackburn play Villa in the 90's with some mates, and Villa had Ian Taylor, Dalian Atkinson, Earl Barrett, Mark Walters, Gary Charles, Paul McGrath and Savo Milosevic.

I was in the Blackburn end and one of their HILARIOUS redneck fans shouted as Villa were passing it about "Ni**er to Ni**er to Ni**er to Ni**er to Commie", and his equally intellectually challenged pasty red faced overweight chums thought this the funniest thing they had ever heard by the way they guffawed.

Compared to the former mill towns of the north, Brighton is a far more tolerant place.

Considering the general social and economic conditions in Brighton, it's very easy to be.