Poyet explores loan striker option?

[Icy Gull]

thought crofts would try to drive the midfield forwards but it never happened.

Needs to get match fit, it will come

 

[Rugrat]

About time. It's very frustrating watching us stick ball after ball into the box and no one EVER getting on the end of it.

That's because nobody is there or CMS surrounded by an army of defenders ... we should be running at defences and pulling them around not lobbing ball after ball into the box

.... agreed, and if he gives Dobbie the free support striker role he had when he was firing on all cylinders at other clubs, then CMS wont have to rely on makeweights to give him help up top, I cant at the moment understand why you get a player in who made his name in a free role, then put him on the bench or play him as an out and out striker...... get it sorted Gus for gods sake.

100% .. have been saying this since we signed him. He gets 20 or so minutes and who can blame the bloke for wanting to make an immediate impression. He should be starting alongside/on the shoulder of CMS and giving defences "double trouble" .. a quality player being mis used

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

This too ... yet the first half dozen games of the season we were supercharged (by comparison) and dragging defences all over the place. It was a totally different style to last season. Bruno and Bridge in particular were really going route 1 and it seems to have stopped (to a large extent).

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

Not convinced that Poyet ever really wanted to go down the route of signing an old fashioned nasty aggressive target man. It seems he accepts that his hand is now being forced as the strikers we have have come well short, given the number of times we get the ball into the box with pretty well ZERO end product

It could, of course, be that he has been holding out for a top premier League quality forward, as he did with the defence as his loan signing target men strikers over the last two seasons have been pretty shit and not fitted in at all

A Jason Roberts short term type may be what he has to settle for. Where is John Carew playing now?

eccept when we scored 11 goals in 3 games... im not saying we shouldn't sign a striker but to say we have zero end product is rubbish.

 

[Icy Gull]

I really don't give a shit how we score as long as we start scoring again. We quickly built a goal diff of +9 and it wasn't off the back of a 6 foot 3 target man nodding in from crosses. Buckley and KLL tend to whip them in low and hard and always have done.

Ultimately, it boils down to whether we really believe we need to fundamentally change the way we're playing because of 3 crap results. I say "no". We should have beaten Boro at a canter in the end, as with Birmingham. I think we'll sort it out without signing Billy Paynter or Sam Vokes (and ultimately that is the sort of player we would be able to afford) because we're not scoring enough headers.

I don't disagree but we need to have an alternative when the tippy tappy doesn't work . If the best we can find is another Woods, Vokes and Paynter then I too would rather we didn't bother though.

 

[Icy Gull]

eccept when we scored 11 goals in 3 games... im not saying we shouldn't sign a striker but to say we have zero end product is rubbish.

From crosses and corners we have zero end product with HEADERS is what I meant though, not that we have zero end product. Didn't phrase that very well.

 

[LamieRobertson]

That's because nobody is there or CMS surrounded by an army of defenders ... we should be running at defences and pulling them around not lobbing ball after ball into the box



100% .. have been saying this since we signed him. He gets 20 or so minutes and who can blame the bloke for wanting to make an immediate impression. He should be starting alongside/on the shoulder of CMS and giving defences "double trouble" .. a quality player being mis used



This too ... yet the first half dozen games of the season we were supercharged (by comparison) and dragging defences all over the place. It was a totally different style to last season. Bruno and Bridge in particular were really going route 1 and it seems to have stopped (to a large extent).

Hmm..i would say only 2 of those games were we dragging defences all over the place...Barnsley/Sheff Wed....yes we certainly looked more threatening...and bruno/bridge helped...then bruno got injured..and ddint get forward tht much on saturday...also buckley had looked good coming in off the wing thru the middle but then he got injured...or wasnt totally match fit...i thought the players looked a bit nervy...perhaps 2 games away from the amex will help

 

[Simster]

I don't disagree but we need to have an alternative when the tippy tappy doesn't work . If the best we can find is another Woods, Vokes and Paynter then I too would rather we didn't bother though.

He's got options already. Barnes can be pushed further forward as that bloke is an absolute ox. Equally Dobbie is a very different type of player to CMS, and Buckley is also capable of playing up front as part of a pairing. And the fact is, those loan players you and I have listed are exactly the type of players we would be in the market for if our current forwards don't deliver. Vokes was alright for us, but not a player I'd want to rely on.

 

[Icy Gull]

He's got options already. Barnes can be pushed further forward as that bloke is an absolute ox. Equally Dobbie is a very different type of player to CMS, and Buckley is also capable of playing up front as part of a pairing. And the fact is, those loan players you and I have listed are exactly the type of players we would be in the market for if our current forwards don't deliver. Vokes was alright for us, but not a player I'd want to rely on.

None of whom are prolific in the air when the box is packed though.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Perhaps we can ask our resident Press Conference attender to ask Gus a pertinent question? Something like - "if you go down the loan route, are you after a big target man or a striker as an alternative to CMS, or both?" (Gus did state the latter after the end of the xfer window).

 

[BLOCK F]

I agree the way we play we need to move the ball with pace - (EG sheff wed) - if we dont then we are easy to play against - have the ball in your own half and then put 8/9 men behind the ball. Birmingham, Ipswich and boro all did the same thing. We need buckley to start as he does move the ball with pace. Was dissappointed with Hammonds and Crofts - thought crofts would try to drive the midfield forwards but it never happened.

Can't understand why he didn't start with Buckley.I know Gus said he might not last 90 minutes,but why not START with him and then if he gets knackered, take him off.
At least we would show an attacking intent from the off!

 

[Husty]

I thought Poyet didn't bloody like loans? Man needs to make his mind up.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

That's because nobody is there or CMS surrounded by an army of defenders ... we should be running at defences and pulling them around not lobbing ball after ball into the box

Exactly. No one is ever in the box and for some reason we seem to play like we have a 6ft 2 target man, crossing balls into the box for the defenders to clear like a piece of piss. When we cant pass our way to a goal we haven't got a clue as of what else to do.

 

[Rugrat]

Hmm..i would say only 2 of those games were we dragging defences all over the place...Barnsley/Sheff Wed....yes we certainly looked more threatening...and bruno/bridge helped...then bruno got injured..and ddint get forward tht much on saturday...also buckley had looked good coming in off the wing thru the middle but then he got injured...or wasnt totally match fit...i thought the players looked a bit nervy...perhaps 2 games away from the amex will help

Fair point ... but we were pretty awesome (by comparison) v Cardiff who are a quality team and you'd expect a tough test and it seemed to fall apart from B'ham. Perhaps the timing of the Bruno injury didn't help but we've definitely cranked back the pace and playing the deeper more patient game vs the cut and thrust (Hollowayesque?)

Let's hope the 2 aways do help but not holding my breath, they're going to be ridiculously tough .... top of the table and Blackpool are due to cane someone very soon. Even if we were going well 2 points would be a result. Leeds next Friday will be v interesting!

 

[Mellotron]

Where is John Carew playing now?

Ryman League? He was the worst player at the Amex last season. Hilariously bad.

 

[Mellotron]

I thought Dobbie looked threatening when he came on, to be honest. A tidy, intelligent player who will come good for us.

I'm not convinced a lack of striker is what is killing us at the moment anyway. It's not like we are not creating chances. We should have scored 3 or 4 on Saturday, and even tucking one or two of them away would have meant this thread didn't happen. Our biggest problems are Poyet not starting with Buckley (who is probably our best attacking player) and the whole team consistently starting too sluggishly, and lacking any pace and urgency when attacking. It's all very well keeping the ball but we are FAR too slow to look to create openings.

Eh? As you say, we're creating chances, so surely it's up to the strikers to finish them off, ergo a lack of striker is the problem?! Also, Buckley is MASSIVELY inconsistent - I rate him on a good day, but he can be f**king awful sometimes.

 

[Oscar]

I'd like to see Dobbie play with or just off CMS up front before we start making panic signings.

 

[Yoda]

Do you really think our headers on target from corners and crosses is OK?? I struggle to think when we last tested a keeper with headers from these positions.

Ashley Barnes, midway through the second half on Saturday produced a smart save from Steele.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'd like to see Dobbie play with or just off CMS up front before we start making panic signings.

Can't see it would be a panic signing, we needed one before this bad run. It just gives us another option. Options are good aren't they??

 

[LamieRobertson]

Ashley Barnes, midway through the second half on Saturday produced a smart save from Steele.

and hammond should have buried one in the first half on saturday


Note..ah sorry u were referring to those on target.

 

[somerset]

I'd like to see Dobbie play with or just off CMS up front before we start making panic signings.

Thats what we all want....