Jimmy Saville
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Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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SULLY COULDNT SHOOT
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How can it be hearsay when it is the people being abused who are making the statements... the definition of hearsay is pretty obvious by its spelling isnt it?
Evidence is certainly the victim making the allegation but it is not enough on its own... agreed. Also agreed he is dead so he cant defend himslef. However, I dont think anyone is going to court over this are they. This is the moral court we are talking of here and as you well know the moral court of society quite often judges and convicts people with only the evidence of the Sun newspaper.
I must admit I think JS is guilty but I think we should spend less time mouthing off about JS and rather think about making sure it doesnt happen again.
Evidence is certainly the victim making the allegation but it is not enough on its own... agreed. Also agreed he is dead so he cant defend himslef. However, I dont think anyone is going to court over this are they. This is the moral court we are talking of here and as you well know the moral court of society quite often judges and convicts people with only the evidence of the Sun newspaper.
I must admit I think JS is guilty but I think we should spend less time mouthing off about JS and rather think about making sure it doesnt happen again.
- Jan 3, 2012
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Yes you did read that. I have read and heard it in several places.
And when they were talking about where he is alleged to have committed some of his crimes, they included Stoke Mandeville and the Hospital in Leeds where he did so much of his volunteering. If that is true, it makes it far worse in my eyes, if it is possible to get much worse.
As for the "what's the point now he's dead" argument, it will no doubt be a tremendous burden lifted from some of his victims that it is out in the open and they do not have to bottle it up anymore.
TWOCHOICEStom
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It's difficult to maintain a sense of neutrality when so many people have come forward.
The sentiment is correct, but you need to understand the mistakes of the past so as not to repeat them in the future.
But sadly the predatory nature of paedophilia and molestation makes it pretty much impossible to stamp out.
I was discussing this very fact with some chums last week. It truly turns the stomach. And now other high profile figures are being implicated. For example, apparently Ted Heath used to invite boys from that place onto his yacht at weekends. We'll now probably never know whether this is all innocent or not but Haut de la Garenne increasingly looks like it was looked upon as a play thing for the depraved.
I have figured why i thought everyone new...the above picture was taken at Haut de la Garenne however in 2008 Savile protested that he was never there, had never been to this childrens home (even tho he had been to many others)
If your not sure of the significance
Jersey child abuse investigation 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whereas I think we should spend more time mouthing off various people at the BBC who stood by and let this happen. Janet Street Porter, Esther Rantzen to start off with, but there are dozens more.
As for JS, he's as guilty as sin - he was nonce kiddy fiddler.
- Jan 3, 2012
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Is this an accusation? - genuine question.
I had never liked Jimmy Savile anyway, always thought he was weird and creepy even going back to watching TOTP in the 60s. And obviously we are aware of Gary Glitter and his record, and also the fact that Freddie Starr has been mentioned, but I hadn't heard anything about Russ Abbott. And I speak as someone who is disinclined to believe any old allegation that is bandied about.
SULLY COULDNT SHOOT
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I think we are saying the same thing. We will never prove completely whetehr JS is guilty no matter how much we think he is but by studying the accusations and the supposed covering up we should make sure it doesn't happen at any time in the future. We achieve nothing by just mouthing off or going on a ghost hunt. The witch has already been burnt.
JSP is just a twat. I suspect Esther feels bad that she did nothing about her suspicions, but she didn't actually know. But an effort should be made to find out who actually knew.
Agreed but that's exactly what the police and co should be doing. Let's hold off blowing up his grave, removing his knighthood and generally marking him as a guilty man until the police release their findings.
His family are removing his head stone, as I type.
While I'm not suggesting that is the case, when someone makes a complaint, they are seen by a number of policemen / women, journalists if they want, their statements are taken, and they are part of the story. They can do all that and be part of it without giving authority for their name to be released. They get attention. It does happen with some people in some cases.
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Savile. Makes it easy to remember.
Nibble
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- Jan 3, 2007
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Allegations have been made and they are being followed up. There is nothing out of the ordinary in this wether the accused is alive or not. If these allegations had been made while he was alive he would likely be found guilty if it got to court. I think it would have been pretty impossible to deny or even explain away 120 seperate women's accounts. However, he is dead so I'm not sure what will happen after the enquiry is complete. If he did do these things at least the victims may now be able to take some steps towards healing themselves. I would imagine one of the hardes things about this kind of abuse for the victim would be living in silence or not being believed. I think it's safe to say the majority of people believe them and this alone will give them a foundation on which to start to heal themselves.
Exactly. The clue is in the name.
SK1NT
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I agree that he cannot defend himself, and these could be made up stories however respectable people high up at in the BBC at the time have come forward detailing walking in on him with a young girl on his lap and his hand up their skirt...
I think there are just way too many people coming forward. No smoke without fire.
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You also have people like the woman on Southern news this morning, alleging he kissed her when she was a child, who is obviously quite happy to have media exposure. With such a large number of accusers it must be reasonable to assume they can't all be making it up, although I think judgement should only be made once a through investigation is completed. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few who have jumped on the bandwagon, perhaps for attention & maybe in the hope of compensation (like the scum bags who made such despicable false accusations against Dave Jones).
To those that say "what's the point he's dead" the point is, if it's found to be true, these women can have some sort of retribution & it will help them to come to terms with what happened & help to heal the emotional scars. Wouldn't you want that if is was your Mother, sister, aunt?