Kelvin Mckenzie

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Wants an aplogy and compo from Yorkshire police!

Seriously, how thick is this twats skin?!

 

[glasfryn]

Wants an aplogy and compo from Yorkshire police!

Seriously, how thick is this twats skin?!

his brain is not much better the man is utter scum

 

[Gritt23]

Unbelievable isn't it.

I just don't know where to start. Poor Kelvin thinks HE has suffered. Unbelievable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/sep/26/kelvin-mackenzie-hillsborough-disaster

 

[Tooting Gull]

It is a truly incredible development.

People lie to the press all the time (especially football managers). The trick is to get other sources and not (as in this case) rely totally on six people from the same 'side', and with the same agenda.

Mackenzie has had years of his own, far lesser hell becase of his own shit journalistic judgment, nothing else.

 

[Kumquat]

Don't even get me started.

 

[albion534]

Jesus f***ing Christ!

What a scumbag!

 

[The Large One]

Kelvin MacKenzie wants Hillsborough apology from police

Ex-Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie wants South Yorkshire Police to apologise for the "vilification" he received in the wake of the Hillsborough tragedy.

His lawyers have contacted the force asking for an apology, the BBC's Ross Hawkins reported. Mr MacKenzie printed a front page story about Liverpool fans, shortly after the 1989 disaster, headlined "The Truth". A police spokesman said Mr MacKenzie was "responsible for the particular headline he chose to run with".

Ninety-six football fans died as a result of the tragedy in Sheffield.

In an article for the Spectator to be published on Thursday, MacKenzie writes: "I hope that after 23 years we can all agree on the truth."

People in Liverpool boycotted The Sun after the article claimed fans pickpocketed the dead and urinated on police.

The Hillsborough Independent Inquiry report, which was published two weeks ago, said there was no evidence to support the allegations in the paper. It stated: "The documents disclosed to the panel show that the origin of these serious allegations was a local Sheffield press agency informed by several SYP officers, an SYP Police Federation spokesperson and a local MP.

"They also demonstrate how the SYP Police Federation, supported informally by the SYP chief constable, sought to develop and publicise a version of events that focused on several police officers' allegations of drunkenness, ticketlessness and violence among a large number of Liverpool fans."

Mr MacKenzie, who says he has been "deeply affected by the affair", adding that he is not a victim but has "suffered collateral damage". Were he to visit Liverpool he would "literally be in mortal danger", he writes.

Describing the circumstances that led him to publish the false claims, he said a "trap was sprung" when he was handed copy from a reputable news agency. The story was sourced from four senior South Yorkshire police officers, he says, and "copper-bottomed" by a Conservative MP.

"I thought nothing of running the story with the headline 'The Truth'," he writes. "There was not a doubt in my mind - and I was by no means the only man in Fleet St who believed the police's story."

His piece concludes: "This week my lawyer, Ian Rosenblatt, sent a letter to South Yorkshire Police explaining that the lies their officers told to the news agency had led to my personal vilification for decades and that on that basis I was seeking an apology in terms to be agreed between us. I hope that after 23 years we can all agree on the truth."

A South Yorkshire Police spokesman said the force "awaits Mr MacKenzie's letter with interest". "It is well known that many media outlets ran similar stories at the time based on the same sources but chose to treat them differently," he said. "Mr MacKenzie was responsible for the particular headline he chose to run with."




What a wanker.

 

[JBizzle]

He's clearly a deluded idiot but to an extent I think he has so ingrained in his psyche that he was misled so much that his vile headline was acceptable to print that this seems like a completely logical step for him.

Personally, I think he should just let it drop and leave the suing and legal matters in the hands of those who were really effected.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

But surely, to an extent he has a point?

I'm certainly not trying to justify running such a one sided story, but the provenance of the source was as good as you can get.

He's still a W@nker.

 

[catfish]

What an odious twat. May he burn in hell.

 

[Beach Seagull]

But surely, to an extent he has a point?

I'm certainly not trying to justify running such a one sided story, but the provenance of the source was as good as you can get.

He's still a W@nker.

I agree with. His sources were 4 police chiefs an MP and it was via a highly credible news agency. You cannot blame him for going to print with it as indeed some other newspapers did albeit in a in a more sensitive way.

Such was the climate at the time and the perception of football fans as hooligans and scum, the story didn't really need a great deal of 'standing up'. And other than in Liverpool (very understandably so) I dont remember much of an outcry against Kelvin Mackenzie at the time or in the intervening years before the findings of the enquiry two weeks ago.

I would agree he is probably wrong to take action against the YP but as a tabloid editor he took a decision to run a story that was fed to him by credible sources.

 

[kevtherev]

I agree with. His sources were 4 police chiefs an MP and it was via a highly credible news agency. You cannot blame him for going to print with it as indeed some other newspapers did albeit in a in a more sensitive way.

Such was the climate at the time and the perception of football fans as hooligans and scum, the story didn't really need a great deal of 'standing up'. And other than in Liverpool (very understandably so) I dont remember much of an outcry against Kelvin Mackenzie at the time or in the intervening years before the findings of the enquiry two weeks ago.

I would agree he is probably wrong to take action against the YP but as a tabloid editor he took a decision to run a story that was fed to him by credible sources.

100% this,,,but it's far easier to just slag the guy off and jump on the bandwagon. It's in vogue to call Mackenzie a scumbag and a wanker, despite thinking what a lot of people would have done, at the time, in the same situation.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Yes he was given incorrect info but the headline and story was way over the top at the time. And the timing of this demand for an apology and 'terms' is quite frankly disgusting and shows him up to be the scum bag we all know he is.

 

[The Large One]

I agree with. His sources were 4 police chiefs an MP and it was via a highly credible news agency. You cannot blame him for going to print with it as indeed some other newspapers did albeit in a in a more sensitive way.

Such was the climate at the time and the perception of football fans as hooligans and scum, the story didn't really need a great deal of 'standing up'. And other than in Liverpool (very understandably so) I dont remember much of an outcry against Kelvin Mackenzie at the time or in the intervening years before the findings of the enquiry two weeks ago.

I would agree he is probably wrong to take action against the YP but as a tabloid editor he took a decision to run a story that was fed to him by credible sources.

In other words, you agree with his maxim of '... if he sounds true, it probably is true...'

While every paper ran the story of the police making the accusation, they worded it carefully to ensure that the Police were the source for the story. The Sun, however, ran the headline 'The Truth'. Did he get a statement from the people being accused for their version of events? No.

So yes, he is to blame for that headline. He even stood over the sub and dictated it himself, much to the dismay of the person writing the copy.

Incidentally, there was a huge reaction to the Sun's headline at the time, inside and outside Liverpool.

 

[The Large One]

100% this,,,but it's far easier to just slag the guy off and jump on the bandwagon. It's in vogue to call Mackenzie a scumbag and a wanker, despite thinking what a lot of people would have done, at the time, in the same situation.

It's easy to slag the guy off because his behaviour as an editor was appalling, falling well short of the standard expected.

There is no bandwagon, nor is it 'in vogue' to call him a scumbag and a wanker. You might want to show yourself up as an apologist for someone so odious who openly deals in lies, but no other paper did what he did at the time.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

In other words, you agree with his maxim of '... if he sounds true, it probably is true...'

While every paper ran the story of the police making the accusation, they worded it carefully to ensure that the Police were the source for the story. The Sun, however, ran the headline 'The Truth'. Did he get a statement from the people being accused for their version of events? No.

So yes, he is to blame for that headline. He even stood over the sub and dictated it himself, much to the dismay of the person writing the copy.

Incidentally, there was a huge reaction to the Sun's headline at the time, inside and outside Liverpool.

This. The reporting was completely irresponsible and just wrong considering the tragedy that had occurred.

I probably shouldn't be but I am astounded by the front of the man.

 

[Questions]

Damn I thought it was going to be a RIP thread.

 

[Beach Seagull]

In other words, you agree with his maxim of '... if he sounds true, it probably is true...'

While every paper ran the story of the police making the accusation, they worded it carefully to ensure that the Police were the source for the story. The Sun, however, ran the headline 'The Truth'. Did he get a statement from the people being accused for their version of events? No.

So yes, he is to blame for that headline. He even stood over the sub and dictated it himself, much to the dismay of the person writing the copy.

Incidentally, there was a huge reaction to the Sun's headline at the time, inside and outside Liverpool.

There are no 'other words' in what I said. And i stand by what I said. He was fed the story by highly credible sources and he decided to run with it. The press also operated in a different climate at the time, pre death of Diana / phone hacking / Leveson etc and back in those days you could 'get away' with more sensationalism.

As for sources of stories if a fan told you he had heard we were signing x player and Tony Bloom told you we were signing Y player which one would you be more likely to repeat on air?

As for 'he even stood over the sub and dictated etc' rightly or wrongly as the editor of the newspaper that was his perogative

I certainly dont remember a 'huge reaction' at the time over the story (I could be wrong though) as far as I'm aware it's readership held up and it continued to be 'Britains biggest selling newspaper'.

 

[The Large One]

There are no 'other words' in what I said. And i stand by what I said. He was fed the story by highly credible sources and he decided to run with it. The press also operated in a different climate at the time, pre death of Diana / phone hacking / Leveson etc and back in those days you could 'get away' with more sensationalism.

As for sources of stories if a fan told you he had heard we were signing x player and Tony Bloom told you we were signing Y player which one would you be more likely to repeat on air?

As for 'he even stood over the sub and dictated etc' rightly or wrongly as the editor of the newspaper that was his perogative

I certainly dont remember a 'huge reaction' at the time over the story (I could be wrong though) as far as I'm aware it's readership held up and it continued to be 'Britains biggest selling newspaper'.

That's the point - he was 'fed' the story, by interested parties involved in the incident.

He didn't check it, and he ran it as fact, rather than opinion.

 

[The Large One]

As for sources of stories if a fan told you he had heard we were signing x player and Tony Bloom told you we were signing Y player which one would you be more likely to repeat on air?

That's a poor comparison.

A fan wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) know, so I would require corroboration; a further source. Tony would know.

In the Hillsborough story, the fans knew, as did the police.