Andrew Mitchell and the police

[Simster]

What's your take on this?

Do you think he used the words attributed to him like "pleb" and "know your place"?
Do you think he should be sacked if he it transpires that he did?

I think what is pissing me off more than anything else is that he hasn't actually had the courage to say what he DID say? Not the conduct of a government minister, IMO.

 

[GreersElbow]

A pleb calling a pleb, a pleb.

I find it amusing that he's chief whip amongst this row...

 

[Don Quixote]

Why doesn't the PM just act and get rid of him? Maybe he's too weak as was shown when he tried to get Duncan Smith out of pensions and failed to do so.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

What's your take on this?

Do you think he used the words attributed to him like "pleb" and "know your place"?
Do you think he should be sacked if he it transpires that he did?

I think what is pissing me off more than anything else is that he hasn't actually had the courage to say what he DID say? Not the conduct of a government minister, IMO.

I can't imagine the word "pleb" is in the usual langauge of your every-day copper - I can't see that they made that one up, although it does sounds rather stereo-typically "posh" tory.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

He shouldnt have said he and he apologies so IMHO fair enough not sure what all the fuss is about, Police get called alot worse (not that they should be abused by anyone) by small kids on large estates, Ive heard even real younsgsters telling the OB to "fk off" or "fking Pigs" etc, the paper should be highlighting this moral decline before picking on one MP who said Pleb

 

[BBassic]

The guy is a complete tool.

 

[Silent Bob]

I wish I could tell the police to f*** off without retribution.

 

[kano]

Not sure why the media are so desperate for this guy to lose his job. He lost his temper and has apologized for it.

Seems like he has to lose his job to entertain the masses rather that anything worthy of a sacking. Who knows what actually happened the average policeman is more that capable of being a busybody on a power trip...

 

[Simster]

He shouldnt have said he and he apologies so IMHO fair enough not sure what all the fuss is about, Police get called alot worse (not that they should be abused by anyone) by small kids on large estates, Ive heard even real younsgsters telling the OB to "fk off" or "fking Pigs" etc, the paper should be highlighting this moral decline before picking on one MP who said Pleb

So his defence is that it's OK because he apologised (once it all blew up) and because some children on large council estates say worse?

All I'll say is that the most respected statemen in this country would never been caught talking to a police officer like that - Blair and Thatcher were well both known to tear strips off their peers but respect and look after the little guy. His feeble apology means absolutely f*** all to me, as it is clear he is only concerned about protecting his reputation and career.

 

[Simster]

Not sure why the media are so desperate for this guy to lose his job. He lost his temper and has apologized for it.

Seems like he has to lose his job to entertain the masses rather that anything worthy of a sacking. Who knows what actually happened the average policeman is more that capable of being a busybody on a power trip...

He didn't apologise when it mattered though, did he? Only when it went public.

It's the same sort of disregard that Gordon Brown and Ian Duncan-Smith have both showed in the past to the minnions, and we all know what utter bellends they are.

 

[Falkor]

can i ask if we swore at Police in a public place we would be arrested and possibly cautioned, so why not for an MP.

Also love how the sun got hold of Police statements again and published it FML

 

[User removed 4]

He didn't apologise when it mattered though, did he? Only when it went public.

It's the same sort of disregard that Gordon Brown and Ian Duncan-Smith have both showed in the past to the minnions, and we all know what utter bellends they are.

he sounds an arrogant c*nt to say the least ,he has only apolopgised because he's been caught, not sure why you have got it in for ian duncan-smith though, as far as i know he has no record of behaving arrogantly or rudely to the little guy, why is he such a "bellend" to use your parlance.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

No you missed the point and obviously in the labour camp and take it a bit more personally, I am in neither camp so couldn't give a s### personally, he said sorry admited he was wrong to show so little respect for a police officer, my other point is the media are quick to jump on this because of who he is when society is far worse but if the press jumped on society for being shitty to OB they couldn't report it as "young kids abusive to police" the lefty would jump on "its not the kids fault Maggie made his parents into jobless imorral scum because she closed the mines blah blah blah" and the right side couldn't step in because they would be being too right wing, its a joke both sides are shit and no common sense if there was this storry would be on its merrit, basic facts are posh bloke was arrgant twat, posh bloke apologiesed and was embarressed for being an arrogent twat, end of

 

[jackanada]

He didn't apologise when it mattered though, did he? Only when it went public.

It's the same sort of disregard that Gordon Brown and Ian Duncan-Smith have both showed in the past to the minnions, and we all know what utter bellends they are.

As I believe pointed out by Andrew Marr - while looking like ordinary coppers those tasked with protecting downing street are an elite unit. They have apparently dealt with all manner of twattish outbursts from MPs including GB and IDS. Yet in 20 years they have not leaked a single story to the press. Andrew Mitchell has to be a very special persistently annoying entitled tosspot to have got them to brief against him.

 

[Superphil]

Why did the policeman decide not to let him through the gate in the first place? From what I can make out, people (MPs etc) have used the same gate before when cycling out.

So, who are you siding with, the policeman, or the Tory MP?

 

[jgmcdee]

No you missed the point and obviously in the labour camp and take it a bit more personally, I am in neither camp so couldn't give a s### personally, he said sorry admited he was wrong to show so little respect for a police officer, my other point is the media are quick to jump on this because of who he is when society is far worse but if the press jumped on society for being shitty to OB they couldn't report it as "young kids abusive to police" the lefty would jump on "its not the kids fault Maggie made his parents into jobless imorral scum because she closed the mines blah blah blah" and the right side couldn't step in because they would be being too right wing, its a joke both sides are shit and no common sense if there was this storry would be on its merrit, basic facts are posh bloke was arrgant twat, posh bloke apologiesed and was embarressed for being an arrogent twat, end of

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[Surrey_Albion]

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Fair point, I will remind myself not to go on a rant while using NSC on my mobile, I knew what I meant

 

[jackanada]

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I've got it to make sense in my head. Well that's not true. I have decoded the ill-conceived rant that is trying to get out.

Now I am feeling tired and despairing.

Is 'end of' in place of a full stop? The alternative is that they genuinely believe they have carefully examined all sides of the argument and carefully formulated a conclusion which has been presented with such clarity and persuasiveness that any further argument is bound to be futile.

 

[drew]

Not sure why the media are so desperate for this guy to lose his job. He lost his temper and has apologized for it.

Seems like he has to lose his job to entertain the masses rather that anything worthy of a sacking. Who knows what actually happened the average policeman is more that capable of being a busybody on a power trip...

According to reports on BBC, he was cycling towards the main gate but was told to get off his bike and walk through the smaller pedestrian gate. Why does this provoke abuse or was it just too inconvenient to get off a bike! The point is, as with the disgraceful expenses scandal, is that they are supposed to set standards. However, the main problem is that he didn't apologise straight away and that, according to reports, he left the scene threatening 'you haven't heard the last of this'. The Police could have arrested him but they didn't and it was only because of the last threat that the Pc decided to write up a report. The other officer involved and who was first abused was a Wpc.

No you missed the point and obviously in the labour camp and take it a bit more personally, I am in neither camp so couldn't give a s### personally, he said sorry admited he was wrong to show so little respect for a police officer, my other point is the media are quick to jump on this because of who he is when society is far worse but if the press jumped on society for being shitty to OB they couldn't report it as "young kids abusive to police" the lefty would jump on "its not the kids fault Maggie made his parents into jobless imorral scum because she closed the mines blah blah blah" and the right side couldn't step in because they would be being too right wing, its a joke both sides are shit and no common sense if there was this storry would be on its merrit, basic facts are posh bloke was arrgant twat, posh bloke apologiesed and was embarressed for being an arrogent twat, end of

Yes society is worse but you expect those in charge to set a higher standard. The Police could have arrested him but they didn't.

The issue does raise other questions though. David Cameron has stood by him, which he did with Rebecca Brooks and Andy Coulson who have now been charged so does bring into question his judgement. Secondly, why has a Sun reporter had access to the report on this issue and/or the notebooks of the Pcs involved?

 

[Biscuit]

I wish I could tell the police to f*** off without retribution.

Agreed. He should have been cautioned/nicked like anybody else would have.