Barnes, England, Gus and Adversity.

[Earth Rod]

I was there. I saw it. I have reviewed the video dispassionately this morning.
Barnes is at least a yard nearer the ball than McCann. Barnes is not even expecting to be in a tackle situation. He looks to be expecting to take possession on the ball before being challenged. McCann a yard further away lunges in two footed. Barnes, expecting to pick the ball up comfortably, is in two minds here I think. Do I challenge or pull out? This results in evasive action jumping over McCann's lunge but with some minor attempt at a challenge. I agree with Brightonseagulls1 and Jack Daniels - Barnes never made a tackle. McCann should have had a yellow or a red for the lunge -end of. A red for the following assault on Barnes.
There is a wider issue here following on from many of Gus's comments about English football. If the FA allow referrers to continue to not punish tackles such as McCann's we will never develop the skills of English players to compete with the likes of Spain and Brazil.
I am really getting sick to death of our players being carded for reactions to bad tackles and incidents while those tackles and incidents go unpunished.
Hopefully Gus is putting a whole dossier on this for the FA - this is not just a BHA issue.
Next home game - Saints - the master of con and deception - Should be interesting.
Brighton teams and fans have thrived on adversity for the last 20 years. We were in danger of losing that part of our game with the Amex, Vicente etc.
Yesterday adversity came back to unite us. Three points lost but that will contribute too many points gained in the future.
ER – WSU Row Z Army. (Buckley should have been on at 80 mins.)

 

[Tricky Dicky]

And I still think Barnes went in with two feet up and that usually results in a red - not complaint from me, though I've only seen it a couple of times. The Burnley player could have got a least a yellow for retaliation though.

 

[bobzam]

Barnes was def a red card, he wasn't jumping over him, only 1 foot left the ground and it was aimed downwards at the player - fair decision IMO. Agree more action needed over McCann. But can't help but feel poyets comments mid week about all the refs against us played a part. I think Burnley came out trying to provoke us knowing about out I'll discipline. Too many cards for talking back, reacting etc - it's unprofessional and it needs to stop.

 

[LamieRobertson]

barnes was definitely not a red card...i can't believe how people can c that was worthy of such...to me those peeps seem to hav an agenda against him

 

[Tricky Dicky]

barnes was definitely not a red card...i can't believe how people can c that was worthy of such...to me those peeps seem to hav an agenda against him

The fact that people are debating if it was worthy of a red or not, means that it wasn't an obvious decision or an overt mistake. It's the only thing of the game I've seen, and have no problem with it - if I saw that in a game involving other teams, I would expect a red every time.

 

[sagaman]

Barnes= red card- end of

 

[LamieRobertson]

Barnes= red card- end of

lol..nope

 

[Hillian1]

Barnes= red card- end of

Agreed, but Mcann should have walked with him.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

Barnes was def a red card, he wasn't jumping over him, only 1 foot left the ground and it was aimed downwards at the player - fair decision IMO. Agree more action needed over McCann. But can't help but feel poyets comments mid week about all the refs against us played a part. I think Burnley came out trying to provoke us knowing about out I'll discipline. Too many cards for talking back, reacting etc - it's unprofessional and it needs to stop.

tell me something, if you were slid at dangerously, and you had to jump, where would your feet anatomically be pointing? to the bloody sky??

 

[BHAFC_AMEX]

Have to say, it was definitely NOT a red card. Barnes see's a two footed challenge coming his way at full pace so he tries to jump over it. He then practically gets assaulted. Everyone saying it was a definite red, I don't know what game you were watching.

 

[glasfryn]

the FA and the refs have made football a girls game now
how much it has changed over the last few years is amazing the problem lies with inconsistency by the refs and although I don't want to give them a way out of some of the most ridiculous decisions they give (even they must think to themselves that was a bit silly) the problem lies fairly and squarely with the FA, they pick and train the refs surely they can train consistency into the refs or maybe heres an idea pick refs that use their brains and have a bit of personality and talk to the players give them a little leeway as they did before the game turned into a three ring circus.
having watched MOTD this morning and seeing some of the tackles being penalized with a free kick or a yellow card.
if the ref thought that AB stamped on the Burnley player then its a sending off for retaliation and the Burnley player must be sent off for studs up and /or a late tackle, the ref is there to make sure the RULES are abided by not to make up his own rules even in the days of yore a late tackle was a free kick or yellow now it is a RED if the players studs are up on one or two feet.
thems the rules so the ref should keep to them and that point is not the only one the Burnley player laid hands on AB and thats a sending off whatever so the ref could have sent the Burnley player off on two counts
his report will be interesting.

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

And I still think Barnes went in with two feet up and that usually results in a red - not complaint from me, though I've only seen it a couple of times. The Burnley player could have got a least a yellow for retaliation though.

It should have been a certain red there is NO doubt about it.. you can NOT grab someone around the throat, push them to ground and get away with it.

 

[LS6]

Barnes WAS a red card, it was a f***ing stupid tackle. But how the Burnley twat didn't get a red for shoving him to the ground by his neck, god knows. Real tough as well, standing over someone and grabbing them by the throat

 

[pasty]

Barnes= red card- end of

Barnes= SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A red card- end of

 

[Rugrat]

Fact is (well supposition) any neutral (including ref's) could have seen that either way

My fear ... Gus has pretty well trashed the competency of refereeing in general ... some said overtly but much implied. Individual ref's will be coming after us and wanting to show "who's boss". That ref yesterday can probably justify to any review why he did what he did .. have a bit of a discussion about why he did or didn't do this or that and then go on to the next game Barnsley v Pompey or something and it's all forgotten. Then the next one comes along and thinks "I'll show you for trashing our profession" and all over again the marginal decisions go against us ... Gus get's more inflamed and so it goes on.

There needs to be a truce somewhere or I fear how this might play out

 

[Withdean11]

No way a red for Barnes. McCann should have walked. It was straight red for sliding in two footed, and it was a straight red for grabbing Barnes' throat

 

[Mr Burns]

tell me something, if you were slid at dangerously, and you had to jump, where would your feet anatomically be pointing? to the bloody sky??

Yes. If I though I was going to get seriosuly injured, then my feet would he high up and out of the way pointing to the bloody sky. If I was trying to get out of the way, my feet definately would not be low enough to be making contact by landing on the player as he slid through. Both players should have walked, and teh Burnley player should be up on a charge for the challenge and afters, but as the rules are, Barnes stamped on him, and had to walk.

 

[Lord Bamber]

Yes. If I though I was going to get seriosuly injured, then my feet would he high up and out of the way pointing to the bloody sky. If I was trying to get out of the way, my feet definately would not be low enough to be making contact by landing on the player as he slid through. Both players should have walked, and teh Burnley player should be up on a charge for the challenge and afters, but as the rules are, Barnes stamped on him, and had to walk.

But as the rules are, retaliation, stranglation and a good hard shove are also red card offences are they not?

 

[glasfryn]

But as the rules are, retaliation, stranglation and a good hard shove are also red card offences are they not?

yes they are and until the FA get their finger out and make refs play by the rules the Gus's of this world are always going to have a go
its going to take a manager with some guts to walk on and take his players off the field .....but must be prepared to take the flack I am sure that most of the home crowd would have some sympathy with this especially if it were a situation like yesterday or even the so called penalty at Southampton (the ref there should hang his head in shame) he is there to do a job not become the talking point for what might be years
if yesterdays match was a relegation match and the Albion went down on those sort of decisions would the FA do anything about it NO of coarse they would not only if a club in that situation were to sue for loss of earnings would they look up and start thinking something is wrong hit them in the pocket when they are wrong, they don't mine holding a kangaroo court if the boots on the other foot

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Barnes was def a red card, he wasn't jumping over him, only 1 foot left the ground and it was aimed downwards at the player - fair decision IMO. Agree more action needed over McCann. But can't help but feel poyets comments mid week about all the refs against us played a part. I think Burnley came out trying to provoke us knowing about out I'll discipline. Too many cards for talking back, reacting etc - it's unprofessional and it needs to stop.

He was only jumping to avoid the upraised studs of the Burnley player that were flying towards his knees - What should he have done? Had his leg broken by letting the dangerous tackle from the Burnley player hit him? - If he had, there's bound to have been plenty on here calling him thick, etc. and wanting to know why he didn't try to avoid it.

He should never have been shown the red card but it should have gone to the Burnley player for the challenge, with or with out his reaction. If Barnes did stamp on him, do you really think that player would be up and throttling Barnes whilst be was still on the ground? No, their player was trying to divert attention away from his appalling challenge and avoid a red

I suggest u watch again and follow the Burnley player as he lunges in two footed and high.