Vince Cable - muppet

[User removed 4]

Cheers for the support. But not needed. Sure I've worked for the banking sector before, will happily work for it again. Me and the cleaners and the dinner ladies and the security guards also. I've met a lot of good people there. Will do again. but institutionalised greed brought the world to its knees and the fly guys know exactly who they are. Example: Goldman may yet be terminally f***ed due to knowingly selling doomed mortgage products to clients. Pure criminals.

Do me a favour, how on earth can you compare yourself to a cleaner and dinner lady ? you are/were a highly paid IT worker, so highly paid that you take 3 months off every year to travel , or was that just an idle boast without any foundation ?

 

[User removed 4]

Read the link in my first post. This thread is about Cable's remarks, not whether or not THPP is a hypocrite for daring to work in IT for the banking sector.

Or you !!

 

[Simster]

Or you !!

Yes, or me. Or anyone else who works in banking but doesn't agree with the lack of regulation in that sector I guess.

As I say, this is about Vince Cable and his comments to public sector unions.

 

[User removed 4]

Read the link in my first post. This thread is about Cable's remarks, not whether or not THPP is a hypocrite for daring to work in IT for the banking sector.

I think this is the telling sentence " and should strikes impose serious damage to our economic and social fabric " , I tend to agree with him on that point, especially as my view is that the strike will be politically rather than industrially motivated.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Do me a favour, how on earth can you compare yourself to a cleaner and dinner lady ? you are/were a highly paid IT worker, so highly paid that you take 3 months off every year to travel , or was that just an idle boast without any foundation ?

I work on contract. I work when I want, or when I need to pay the mortgage. When I don't work I don't get paid. During the banking crisis I didn't work for six months. That wasn't very nice. I've just finished an eighteen month contract. I'm at home now, waiting til one comes up that doesn't involve going to Canary Wharf or even using the tube. Nobody owes me a living and I don't expect them to.

 

[Simster]

I think this is the telling sentence " and should strikes impose serious damage to our economic and social fabric " , I tend to agree with him on that point, especially as my view is that the strike will be politically rather than industrially motivated.

Of course that's your view - it would only be an industrially motivated strike if Labour were in power.

Or alternatively, it might be the case that they go on strike because they fear an absolute decimation of public sector jobs through no fault of their own. I'd certainly say the issue of job security was a very good industrial motive, personally.

 

[User removed 4]

I work on contract. I work when I want, or when I need to pay the mortgage. When I don't work I don't get paid. During the banking crisis I didn't work for six months. That wasn't very nice. I've just finished an eighteen month contract. I'm at home now, waiting til one comes up that doesn't involve going to Canary Wharf or even using the tube. Nobody owes me a living and I don't expect them to.

Do you not like Canary Wharf ? I find myself in a minority that loves the place during the summer, and i find that the quality of skirt is measurably higher than the city , thoughts ?

 

[User removed 4]

Of course that's your view - it would only be an industrially motivated strike if Labour were in power.

Or alternatively, it might be the case that they go on strike because they fear an absolute decimation of public sector jobs through no fault of their own. I'd certainly say the issue of job security was a very good industrial motive, personally.

Of course it wouldnt be politically motivated if Labour were in power, the unions are natural allies of labour, i'm sure that the GMB sponsor several labour MP's.

 

[Goldstone NS87]

For anyone unsure of Unions. Yes sometimes they go overboard with strikes about colleagues being sacked..that's an abuse of their power. But unions are there to protect workers rights and without them companies could walk all over you with no comeback. That's not right either.

At this time the government plans to increase pension contributions and make people work longer and cut wages, all of this at once and the level they are doing it is too much. They have every right to strike.

Vince Cable threatening them with legal restrictions if they protest too much flies in the face of what Unions are about..why have a union if they can't strike because of law, these comments will only serve to ensure the strikers strike with more venom and frequency. The man is an idiot. It's like saying "if you do what I don't want you to do then I will stamp my feet and change the rules" how is that a democracy?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Do you not like Canary Wharf ? I find myself in a minority that loves the place during the summer, and i find that the quality of skirt is measurably higher than the city , thoughts ?

I like the idea of working there for sure, but I'm in no doubt that the totally rammed commute would be just about as stressful and intolerable as trying to get home from an Albion game from Falmer station at a reasonable time will surely prove to be.

 

[User removed 4]

I like the idea of working there for sure, but I'm in no doubt that the totally rammed commute would be just about as stressful and intolerable as trying to get home from an Albion game from Falmer station at a reasonable time will surely prove to be.

I used to have to be at the wharf for seven am, whilst very early , the commute was fairly stress free, i dont have to be in until 9 am now , the commute is nothing short of a nightmare, hopefully i will be back to early starts soon !

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I used to have to be at the wharf for seven am, whilst very early , the commute was fairly stress free, i dont have to be in until 9 am now , the commute is nothing short of a nightmare, hopefully i will be back to early starts soon !

Not sure about you (in your current career), but I've always all through my working life found the commute to be far more of a major cause of stress than the job itself.

 

[User removed 4]

Not sure about you (in your current career), but I've always all through my working life found the commute to be far more of a major cause of stress than the job itself.

I know what you mean , especially if you have to use FCC !!

 

[Castello]

Which isn't quite true is it because in actual fact it's the mass exodus of manufacturing to low cost economies and Mrs Thatchers determination to create a service based economy where there simply isn't the demand for those services.

We now see that even the service sector jobs are disappearing to those low cost economies.

What New Labour did which was criminal was to indebt the Country by signing up to public-private partnerships at rates that were advantageous to the private sector, not to the Treasury. So in a sense the private sector is to blame as well for being overly greedy.

This

 

[Castello]

This is really a storm in a tea cup and just a cynical attempt to regain popularity from a morally bankrupt and dysfunctional political party.

Firstly to get legally balloted industrial action is very difficult. For several unions to do so all on a prearranged day is several times more difficult. Being a Unite activist I am aware and would in principal support such a move. I do not think for one moment that it will happen.

My own employer has just announced a cut of 33% of front line support posts, 15-25% cut in wages and an increase in the working week of 5 hours. I personally think we as a union have a moral duty never mind a legal right to defend our members terms and conditions in the best way possible.

However to get legal strike action would involve persuading our members that we have had weeks of unproductive meetings and have no alternative to ballot. We then have to organise a ballot and campaign for a winning ballot. Not only do we have to win, but to persuade the national union to back us, it has to be a big enough win that they believe that most members will honor the action. we then have to give notice of the date of action and we have to hope our employer doesn't seek an injunction for some petty infraction and pray that we get a judge that will not block the strike.

To believe this will happen on a mass scale all on the same day is either some Tory/Trotskyist fantasy or the sign that the workers are truly in open rebellion. Since I don't see any barricades lining the streets I'm betting on the former.

There may be some piecemeal action on 30th June and good luck to them. I personally would love this to be true, however the reality is I'm too busy fighting real cuts to real peoples living standards to engage in Vince Cable's publicity stunts.

 

[Robbie G]

I liked Vince Cable. Since he has been in government, he has done his self no favours. Should be in an advisory role, not front-line government.

 

[Cloughie]

For anyone unsure of Unions. Yes sometimes they go overboard with strikes about colleagues being sacked..that's an abuse of their power. But unions are there to protect workers rights and without them companies could walk all over you with no comeback. That's not right either.

At this time the government plans to increase pension contributions and make people work longer and cut wages, all of this at once and the level they are doing it is too much. They have every right to strike.

Vince Cable threatening them with legal restrictions if they protest too much flies in the face of what Unions are about..why have a union if they can't strike because of law, these comments will only serve to ensure the strikers strike with more venom and frequency. The man is an idiot. It's like saying "if you do what I don't want you to do then I will stamp my feet and change the rules" how is that a democracy?

A couple of decent points there.Although I think people are forgetting just why unions were created. They were there to protect staff as there were no laws to protect them. In large, this isn't the case any longer as employment laws are reviewed on a daily basis in courts up and down the country.

I can understand Mr Cable's point as he is concerned strike action will damage an already unstable economy (which has ironically created this animosity as people struggle financially and worry for their jobs...). However there are ways of putting bad news and he appears to be unable to understand that. The way some public sector workers are treat in Britain is quite frankly unacceptable, regarless of financial restrictions and circumstances.

 

[melias shoes]

The institutionalised criminals of the Banking Sector broke our country. And every other country also. Fact.[/QUOT
AND Gordon Brown and his cronies made sure it was TOTALLY f***ed. what was it they said?' Sorry there's nothing left.'

 

[Don Quixote]

He "predicted" the economic mess, but only said this afterwards and didn't think to mention it to anyone beforehand. He is not fit to be a secretary of state.

 

[pork pie]

Which isn't quite true is it because in actual fact it's the mass exodus of manufacturing to low cost economies and Mrs Thatchers determination to create a service based economy where there simply isn't the demand for those services.

We now see that even the service sector jobs are disappearing to those low cost economies.

What New Labour did which was criminal was to indebt the Country by signing up to public-private partnerships at rates that were advantageous to the private sector, not to the Treasury. So in a sense the private sector is to blame as well for being overly greedy.

You really do have a pair of red tinted glasses don't you!?

How can anyone blame the private sector for "NEW" Labour wasting vast amounts of money on white elephants in the public sector - and committing us all to paying for them for years to come?