How many seats added by filling in the corners?

[Titanic]

Using the online stadium explorer... there are gaps in the seat numbers for the lower tiers,
so it should be possible to make a fairly accurate stab at seat capacity in the corners.

West South end - seat no. 1
West North end - seat no. 244

North West end - seat no 285
North East end - seat no. 404

East North end - seat no. 487
East South end - seat no. 720

South East end - seat no. 788
South North end - seat no. 899

Assuming these give us the maximum row lengths... and the front is much shorter (say one third)...
and there are 26 rows in each corner... then the seating capacity looks roughly like this...

N/W corner: max seats 61, assumed average 40, x26 rows = 1040
N/E corner: max seats 83, assumed average 52, x26 rows = 1352
S/E corner: max seats 68, assumed average 44, x26 rows = 1144
S/W corner: assume same as N/W corners? = 1040

Total = 4576

Does that seem reasonable, or it there something obvious I am missing?

 

[Simster]

It does seem reasonable, yes. Good work.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It does seem reasonable, yes. Good work.

'Reasonable' maybe. But an utter waste of time, and completely wrong.

The corners can add 2,500 to the capacity. We don't need to work it out - the club have clearly stated such.

 

[Simster]

Oh.

 

[8ace]

Using the online stadium explorer... there are gaps in the seat numbers for the lower tiers,
so it should be possible to make a fairly accurate stab at seat capacity in the corners.

West South end - seat no. 1
West North end - seat no. 244

North West end - seat no 285
North East end - seat no. 404

East North end - seat no. 487
East South end - seat no. 720

South East end - seat no. 788
South North end - seat no. 899

Assuming these give us the maximum row lengths... and the front is much shorter (say one third)...
and there are 26 rows in each corner... then the seating capacity looks roughly like this...

N/W corner: max seats 61, assumed average 40, x26 rows = 1040
N/E corner: max seats 83, assumed average 52, x26 rows = 1352
S/E corner: max seats 68, assumed average 44, x26 rows = 1144
S/W corner: assume same as N/W corners? = 1040

Total = 4576

Does that seem reasonable, or it there something obvious I am missing?

In one corner (NE I think) there is a vehicle access gate that would account for quite a lot of the seats.

 

[Titanic]

'Reasonable' maybe. But an utter waste of time, and completely wrong.

The corners can add 2,500 to the capacity. We don't need to work it out - the club have clearly stated such.

But various numbers have been claimed as 'stated by the club'. Can anyone point at one actually written down somewhere to confirm this?
2500 seems quite a low number compared to the gaps in the seat row numbers, unless there are other considerations? entrances, aisles, whatever?

 

[Titanic]

In one corner (NE I think) there is a vehicle access gate that would account for quite a lot of the seats.

Indeed, so perhaps at worst half of that? say 700? bringing it down to 3800'ish ??

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Seriously, its well documented. Capacity now 22,500. Maximum future capacity 30,000 (2,500 in the corners, 5,000 in the East Upper).

 

[Notters]

In one corner (NE I think) there is a vehicle access gate that would account for quite a lot of the seats.

I thought natterjack told us that this was a myth?

 

[seagullwedgee]

Look at the webcam, there is absolutely no way you could average 40 seats per row in the south west corner.

it's a wedge, and in he front few rows there will barely be a dozen seats on average.

2500 is the number, deal with it.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Filling in the corners and using the top tier of the east stand we can add another 10k to the capacity without raising the roof

 

[8ace]

I thought natterjack told us that this was a myth?

I'm sure they have to at least one gate to get tractors in to relay the pitch etc.
A question was answered about this on the ATFPT forum but we can't see that anymore

 

[Titanic]

Seriously, its well documented. Capacity now 22,500. Maximum future capacity 30,000 (2,500 in the corners, 5,000 in the East Upper).

Well, those are certainly figures that I have heard, and often. But other people have been coming back from their ST presentations with other numbers. In some cases several thousand more that this. I just thought it was worth a look at the numbers that were available... it would be pretty odd if they were just random ??

Not that any of this REALLY matters, in the scheme of things, but an interesting, if brief, diversion from lifes other challenges!

 

[Goring Gull]

Seriously, its well documented. Capacity now 22,500. Maximum future capacity 30,000 (2,500 in the corners, 5,000 in the East Upper).

Only 30,000! Not inpressed shoes a lack of ambition in my book.

 

[Titanic]

Look at the webcam, there is absolutely no way you could average 40 seats per row in the south west corner.

it's a wedge, and in he front few rows there will barely be a dozen seats on average.

2500 is the number, deal with it.

OK... assuming front row of 12, and a back row of 61... that would give average row of 36, x26 rows = 936

and that is the smallest of the areas?

It's not a case of 'dealing with anything', it's just an idle diversion from lifes chores. Feel free to ignore it completely.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

'Reasonable' maybe. But an utter waste of time, and completely wrong.

The corners can add 2,500 to the capacity. We don't need to work it out - the club have clearly stated such.

Bitch slap!

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Why did they not just fill in the corners to start? Funding?

 

[Titanic]

OK... using the most conservative theory... that there is only ONE SEAT in the front row...

N/W corner: max seats 61, assumed average 31, x26 rows = 806
N/E corner: max seats 83, assumed average 42, x26 rows = 1092
S/E corner: max seats 68, assumed average 34, x26 rows = 884
S/W corner: assume same as N/W corners, but losing half for the 'vehicle entrance'? = 403

Total = 3185

Then we should take some off for the disabled seating areas... be generous... say 685....

and you get 2500.

 

[whitelion]

Why did they not just fill in the corners to start? Funding?

Planning.

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[Mileoakman]

Why did they not just fill in the corners to start? Funding?

I think funding was part of it but I think the main reason was that it was easier to get planning permission for a 22500 stadium than a 30000. I think the Council needs convincing that we can handle 22k with transport, etc before agreeing to any increase. Personally I want to see the Amex filled to near capacity before we start talking about increasing the size, I wouldn't want another MK Dons type arena looking half empty each week.