English Military Victories

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

On the french section there's aload of wars against us that aren't on our page. What's up with that?

 

[Gwylan]

What about the Battle of Lewes in 1264?

Simon de Montfort (sounds French, but was English) beat King Henry III (sounds English, but was French). Hundreds on both sides died - mostly English, obviously.

on what grounds is SdeM English? He was born in France to two French parents and four French grandparents - there's no way that he'd be qualified to play for England.

He was about as English as Henry III (in fact, they were distant cousins)

 

[Commander]

on what grounds is SdeM English? He was born in France to two French parents and four French grandparents - there's no way that he'd be qualified to play for England.

He was about as English as Henry III (in fact, they were distant cousins)

What about the Battle of Lewes in 1264?

Simon de Montfort (sounds French, but was English) beat King Henry III (sounds English, but was French). Hundreds on both sides died - mostly English, obviously.

 

[Icy Gull]

Oh no Gwylan is repeating himself now but unlike Lord B cannot delete the repeats without trace...

 

[Lord Bracknell]

on what grounds is SdeM English? He was born in France to two French parents and four French grandparents - there's no way that he'd be qualified to play for England.

He was about as English as Henry III (in fact, they were distant cousins)

But he wore the English shirt.

Are you saying that points should be deducted for playing an ineligible player?

You'll be claiming next that WWI and WWII don't count because of the Americans who came on as late substitutions.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Very strange list: how can there be national winners and losers in a civil war?

And how exactly can Britain (or even England) have won anything pre-10th century?

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Confusing isn't it, The Britains were, surprisingly, British whereas the English were Angles and Saxons, who defeated the British and so became English. Still with me? The Normans weren't really French (thank goodness) but where infact Saxons ( apparently they moved to Normandy 100 years before, bit like 1940 but without the blood shed). This means the Battle of Hasting was fought between the English who were really Saxons and the Normans who weren't French but saxons .. so shouldn't that have been a draw?

Not quite, the Normans were Vikings who had settled in northern France in the early 10th century.

 

[Brovion]

... We're unbeaten in 7 since 1942 so are on a good run. As my Dad would say though, "means they must be due a loss soon".

They seemed to have missed out Maggie's little adventure in the South Atlantic as well.

Didn't we just suffer a shock defeat in Iraq? Our boys undone by a load of plucky part-timers? Or are we saying Basra was a draw and we're claiming the victory on the away goals rule?

 

[Gwylan]

Not quite, the Normans were Vikings who had settled in northern France in the early 10th century.

And the 'English' were Vikings too...in fact. Harold Godwinson and William the Bastard were slightly related

(hope this post only goes in once)

 

[Commander]

Didn't we just suffer a shock defeat in Iraq? Our boys undone by a load of plucky part-timers? Or are we saying Basra was a draw and we're claiming the victory on the away goals rule?

I'd say it was a victory but will always be argued about whether our winner crossed the line / was offside / should have been disallowed for a blatant disregard of the rules in the first place

 

[Gully]

The Turks smashed the British forces at Gallipoli, no menion of that bad loss despite the record amount of VC's awarded in that battle.

I thought that it was the ANZACs being led by British officers...who were unable to read a map properly...they landed in front of some cliffs, within easy range of Turkish machine guns, instead of a flat sandy beach...giving rise to the saying about never trusting an officer with a map!

 

[Brovion]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over English victories and British victories. I suppose the union of England and Scotland is a bit like when Rushden Town merged with Irthlingborough Diamonds.

 

[Don Quixote]

Unbeaten since 1944, not bad.

 

[The Large One]

What about the European effort of 1514 (or just shy of 15 minutes played on the clock), when the French sneaked a surprise vital away goal in the sacking of Brighthelmstone?

 

[defrocked priest]

Agincourt, the best victory, pluck you.

 

[Race]

Agincourt should have been abandoned. the pitch was waterlogged and the conditions were atrocious

 

[looney]

So when the scottish army defeated the irish army at york in the English civil war whats that?

points deduction for inelegable players?

What about Panama with the aid of 10,000 mainly Portugeses and german mercenaries under a Brish flag?

 

[NMH]

Nutty americans.

VICTORY
Operation Iraqi Freedom - March 19, 2003
Britain and coalition forces invade and remove Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from power.

news to me...

Many Americans insist they won the Vietnam War, and some declare it a draw because "we withdrew".

 

[vegster]

Unbeaten since 1944, not bad.

I thought we lost in Korea soon after that ?

 

[portlock seagull]

Unbeaten since 1944, not bad.

Except all the colonies handed back to their rightful owners. Ow, ánd the Suez crisis....

 

[beorhthelm]

What about the Battle of Lewes in 1264?

Simon de Montfort (sounds French, but was English) beat King Henry III (sounds English, but was French). Hundreds on both sides died - mostly English, obviously.

on what grounds is SdeM English? ... He was about as English as Henry III (in fact, they were distant cousins)

what nationality they or their parents were originally was rather irrelevant, they where both leading English armies from a postion of being natrualised residents. bit like Kevin Pietersen.

so anyway, civil war and therfore cant count. i dont expect a foriegn site to understand the subtlies but expect better from here.

And how exactly can Britain (or even England) have won anything pre-10th century?

i understand the modern take is that we weren't so different from the "invading" Saxons, who seem to roll through and become accepted very easily. at least compared to the vikings and normans. languages are much closer and there isnt the split between briton/saxon like there was with english/french. Celtic is quite distinct too, which suggests they had already been pushed out of England by waves of germanic groups.