"Deborah (13): Servant of God" on tonight 22.30 BBC3

[NMH]

Even religious people have to keep with the times. If they want to spread any word, or even just live a spiritual lifestyle, then surely that has to be done assimilated in a modern present lifestyle. If the parents don't let them learn about existing in the present culture, then they are not able to live life on the same level as other kids their age.
What SHOULD change with the times is their own doctrine. This is becoming a disparity across the world though, with fundamental Muslims insisting that their doctrine should stand stock still, with subjects kissing the ground crawling to Mecca on bleeding knees, or that their people should kill anyone who comes to their house not believing in their religion.

Basically, though, human nature is always sidestepping the greatest foundation of life forces, nature itself. Perhaps if mankind could accede to the very nature that began, supports, and holds us inexorably in its' bounds - then we could all exist and co-exist happier and healthier.

 

[Titanic]

...Basically, though, human nature is always sidestepping the greatest foundation of life forces, nature itself. Perhaps if mankind could accede to the very nature that began, supports, and holds us inexorably in its' bounds - then we could all exist and co-exist happier and healthier.

Right on, man!

(BTW nice use of 'inexorably'.. not one of NSC's more common adverbs!)

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Exactly. Forget all this love and forgiveness nonesense, let's get back to some good old fashioned SMITING and STONING. And of course the odd random PLAGUE would be nice.

boring....have you actually read the bible?

 

[Lokki 7]

boring....have you actually read the bible?

Yes. Studied it for many years. Have you read The God Delusion?

 

[sir danny cullip]

Yes. Studied it for many years. Have you read The God Delusion?

:thumsbup: I like this book a lot.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Trying to convert people by scaring them into it is never going to work.

But...thats what religion has done for thousands of years...

"Theres this invisible man in the sky..he has a list of ten rules... who is watching you every second of the day just waiting for you to have a wank or swear or covet your neighbours ass..if you do these things, thereby breaking the rules, you are sent to hell where there is fire and pain and thorny demons raking your flesh for all eternity whilst you shriek in agony...and he does this because he LOVES you."

Thats about it.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Yes. Studied it for many years. Have you read The God Delusion?

nope, should I ? Take it you have chosen to believe that book then?

 

[Buzzer]

I've got no probs at all with parents instilling Christian values into their children. As Tyrone says, it's no difference from the hippy fascists in Brighton filling Annabella and Nimrod's heads with all their beliefs.

Only difference is that the hippies think they have some moral authority that Christians don't have. My 2 go to a C of E school because I think that basically the teachings do make for a better person, it gives them a very good grounding for later on and it's good for them to know about this bit of British history and culture.

Each to their own but I'd rather my 2 have this than some pseudo hippy "let them believe in nothing/anything".

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

nope, should I ?/QUOTE]

Yep, you should.

 

[Mellotron]

Yes. Studied it for many years. Have you read The God Delusion?

That books' hilarious. A zoologist writing on theology. It's like getting Alex Ferguson to teach you about Ancient Chinese History.

You can't truly criticize something if you don't understand the first thing about it.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

I've got no probs at all with parents instilling Christian values into their children. As Tyrone says, it's no difference from the hippy fascists in Brighton filling Annabella and Nimrod's heads with all their beliefs.

Only difference is that the hippies think they have some moral authority that Christians don't have. My 2 go to a C of E school because I think that basically the teachings do make for a better person, it gives them a very good grounding for later on and it's good for them to know about this bit of British history and culture.

Each to their own but I'd rather my 2 have this than some pseudo hippy "let them believe in nothing/anything".

My lad goes to a Catholic school and he hasn't been bummed once.

I think he should try Lynx.

 

[clapham_gull]

I've got no probs at all with parents instilling Christian values into their children. As Tyrone says, it's no difference from the hippy fascists in Brighton filling Annabella and Nimrod's heads with all their beliefs.

Only difference is that the hippies think they have some moral authority that Christians don't have. My 2 go to a C of E school because I think that basically the teachings do make for a better person, it gives them a very good grounding for later on and it's good for them to know about this bit of British history and culture.

Each to their own but I'd rather my 2 have this than some pseudo hippy "let them believe in nothing/anything".

I agree with all of that, but there are "Christain values" and "Christain values".

I take it you didn't watch the programme.

The girl mixes with no other children of her own age.

She approaches random strangers in the street and tells them they are going to hell if they lie.

She believes that she currently "belongs" to her dad.

The family did a puppet show at a local fair and freaked a few children and parents out by telling them they were going to hell.

There was also the running theme of discounting science as the invention of man, no big bang, dinosaurs etc...

There was nothing in that programme that made me think the kids were being brought up to be better people.

More like people very closed off from society with some very extreme unbalanced views. Rather than worrying about the positive aspects of religion, there were obsessed with the negative aspects of it.

Every other word was "hell". At one point, the girl even used the phrase "gnashing of teeth.."

This was the sort of Christianity that frankly even the Church of England have a problem with. More "Christian Voice" than Songs of Praise.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

nope, should I ?/QUOTE]

Yep, you should.

why? what has it taught you ? just for the record, have you read the bible ?

 

[Lokki 7]

why? what has it taught you ? just for the record, have you read the bible ?

Speaking for myself, it taught me the most valuable lesson of all, one the bible never can. It taught me to think for myself.

Until you read it, how can you criticise?

 

[Mellotron]

why? what has it taught you ? just for the record, have you read the bible ?

It's taught them a zoologist isn't a Christian. That's about it.

Have a read of it, his assumptions on how a regular Christian thinks and behaves are laughable.

 

[Buzzer]

Fair dos, CG. I didn't see the film and it sounds like the family are hat stand. I see though, on this thread that some use it to have a go at anyone who instils Christian beliefs into their kids.

A bit like having a go at parents who let their children play footie just because some negligent sicko parents let their kids support Man U.

 

[Lokki 7]

That books' hilarious. A zoologist writing on theology. It's like getting Alex Ferguson to teach you about Ancient Chinese History.

You can't truly criticize something if you don't understand the first thing about it.

Are you saying you have to be a theology scholar in order to have a considered view on religion?

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Speaking for myself, it taught me the most valuable lesson of all, one the bible never can. It taught me to think for myself.

Until you read it, how can you criticise?

haven't critised have I ?

 

[clapham_gull]

It's taught them a zoologist isn't a Christian. That's about it.

Have a read of it, his assumptions on how a regular Christian thinks and behaves are laughable.

I havent read the book and have no intension to, but I found the above quite a common theme coming from Christians whose religion is criticised.

That being, unless you are one - You have no right to discuss it. We are right, everyone else is wrong.

So what if he is a zoologist, so what if he isn't a Christian ?

 

[Mellotron]

Are you saying you have to be a theology scholar in order to have a considered view on religion?

Not at all. But he talks in such a smug, self-satisfied way that he clearly sees himself as an authority on a subject that he does not understand at a fundamental level.

He's always telling you throughout the book how Christians think, act and feel. He's wrong on every count.

Read The Dawkins Delusion.
Or The Dawkins Letters.
Or The Case For Christ: An Atheist Scientist's search for genuine evidence of Christ.