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Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
65,505
The Fatherland
“The [US] deal also involves American exports of beef”

Yummy!
 




Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
25,038
Brighton
Bad Enoch says that our export tariffs to the US have tripled whilst we got rid of tariffs for US imports coming here.

If she is right, this is an awful deal. However, there is a possibility that she's not read it and is hoping folk will believe her narrative.
 




Bodian

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May 3, 2012
16,995
Cumbria
Bad Enoch says that our export tariffs to the US have tripled whilst we got rid of tariffs for US imports coming here.

If she is right, this is an awful deal. However, there is a possibility that she's not read it and is hoping folk will believe her narrative.
Depends if she's talking about before or after 'Liberation Day'.

Like every other country, we're worse off that we were two months ago. But we are better off than we were a week ago.

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highflyer

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Jan 21, 2016
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Lessons from Australia:


Most important IMO is this line: 'increasing the salience of your opponents’ core issues is a recipe that has repeatedly failed for mainstream parties in combating the far right'. Eg trying to compete on being nasty about migrants, trans people and environmental protesters simply reinforces in people's minds the lie that these are 'the problem'. And once people start to believe that, it isn't Labour they will be voting for!
 


darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
8,349
Sittingbourne, Kent
Lessons from Australia:


Most important IMO is this line: 'increasing the salience of your opponents’ core issues is a recipe that has repeatedly failed for mainstream parties in combating the far right'. Eg trying to compete on being nasty about migrants, trans people and environmental protesters simply reinforces in people's minds the lie that these are 'the problem'. And once people start to believe that, it isn't Labour they will be voting for!
Genuine question, what is the Australian media like? Is it as right leaning and biased as our own?
 




highflyer

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Jan 21, 2016
2,727
Genuine question, what is the Australian media like? Is it as right leaning and biased as our own?
Similar I think (I don't live there but have many colleagues and friends there). Murdoch press is strong for obvious reasons. But someone that lives there may be able to confirm one way or the other.
 


Since1982

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Sep 30, 2006
1,759
Burgess Hill
Depends if she's talking about before or after 'Liberation Day'.

Like every other country, we're worse off that we were two months ago. But we are better off than we were a week ago.

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And that is the really important point - Trump like it or not has changed everything so its right that the govt respond to the reality of today rather than the historical position. I heard the utterly shameless local MP Andrew Griffith on the radio this morning complaining that Labour should have done a better deal - compare and contrast with the complete failure of his party to do any sort of deal with the USA in all the years they were governing since Brexit.
 








cjd

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Jun 22, 2006
6,435
La Rochelle
It has been remarkably quiet on here since the WFA news at mid-day. Are all the gobshites embarrassed or just feeling a little unwell...?

If so, I wish them all a speedy recovery to better health.
 






Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
10,604
saaf of the water
It has been remarkably quiet on here since the WFA news at mid-day. Are all the gobshites embarrassed or just feeling a little unwell...?

If so, I wish them all a speedy recovery to better health.
Clearly the right thing to do - reacting to The Labour Party's terrible local election results.
 


A1X

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£35,000 seems a big jump TBH, it’s nearly the UK average salary for working people
 
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cjd

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Jun 22, 2006
6,435
La Rochelle
£35,000 seems a big jump TBH, it’s nearly the UK average salary for working people
I think it is a truly shocking indictment of Rachel Reeves inability to be a Chancellor in the real world, rather than just theory.

Do you think she will still be there in 6 months once Sir Keir Starmer feels he can ditch her ?
 


nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
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nowhere near Burgess Hill
Makes one wonder why they did it in the first place. Everything was costed and funded but this had to happen in a hurry and without being in the manifesto. It's not like we've got huge economic growth data to bring more in but little old Rachel has managed to find £86bn for Tech/AI, above inflation public sector pay deals (which surprise surprise still aren't enough for the Unions) & £15.6bn for new transport projects in the last week despite cutting original transport and tech/AI projects as soon as they got in. The magic money tree is alive and well.
 
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alanfp

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Feb 23, 2024
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£35,000 seems a big jump TBH, it’s nearly the UK average salary for working people
I think you've fallen into the trap of comparing the figure with a recent, temporary figure that was only imposed last autumn, instead of comparing with the situation that had been in place for decades, i.e. the status quo. i.e. the ingredients that go into the whole taxation/benefits/wages mix.

A bit like an SCS sofa sale. It's not really a 50% price reduction - it's 50% off a falsely inflated price that they advertised last week. A poor example, but you get my drift...
 


beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
36,524
Makes one wonder why they did it in the first place. Everything was costed and funded but this had to happen in a hurry and without being in the manifesto. It's not like we've got huge economic growth data to bring more in but little old Rachel has managed to find £86bn for Tech/AI, above inflation public sector pay deals (which surprise surprise still aren't enough for the Unions) & £15.6bn for new transport projects in the last week despite cutting original transport and tech/AI projects as soon as they got in. The magic money tree is alive and well.
this is the very weird thing, all those cuts last summer are being rolled back. as if there was some point to make and not really necessary.
 


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