[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Berty23]

Thank you. Honest answers, much appreciated. I don't agree personally especially with the 1 year term but that doesn't mean either views aren't valid.

I hadn't really considered leaving the ECHR to be honest but if there were things that we as a country wanted to do but couldn't due to ECHR then I could be persuaded to leave and implement a UK version. The obvious example would be capital punishment, I'm not for one minute going to enter a discussion on that as it will be a massive binfest but the premise of wanting to do something the country wants is an interesting one if it's blocked by Europe. The member states can though change the charter through a treaty amendment I think so requiring all member states to agree I would assume not just a majority ?.

Anyone who supports reform and Farage and has not considered implications of leaving ECHR does not change my view of how ignorant some people are about reform. They gas light people with what they want to hear rather than what it means for them.

Imagine a return of capital punishment when people don’t think people deserve a fair trial/justice.

That bloke who was let out the other week would have been killed. He was innocent. Now imagine that without people having rights to a fair trial and were genuinely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yet again people supporting it will never think it is something that could happen to them. It can and it does.

 

[WATFORD zero]

 

[clapham_gull]

Has anyone really through the implications of re-introducing the death penalty ?

Thought we were over all that.

It would make it incredibly difficult to extradite anyone from abroad.

 

[A1X]

One of these two panellists would go on to be the UK's Home Secretary . It’s an example of everything wrong with the UK that it was her.

 

[TomandJerry]

Has anyone really through the implications of re-introducing the death penalty ?

Thought we were over all that.

It would make it incredibly difficult to extradite anyone from abroad.

Does Reform have bringing back the death penalty in it's manifesto?

 

[Bodian]

Does Reform have bringing back the death penalty in it's manifesto?

Some of it's MPs have called for a debate on it. If they are not wishing to see it's return, what are they intending to debate?

Reform UK MPs call for debate on death penalty after Southport killer sentenced

One MP for Nigel Farage’s party, Lee Anderson, posted a picture of a noose on his X account, adding: ‘No apologies here. This is what is required!’, while prime minister Sir Keir Starmer said Rudakubana would ‘likely never be released’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[TomandJerry]

Some of it's MPs have called for a debate on it. If they are not wishing to see it's return, what are they intending to debate?

Reform UK MPs call for debate on death penalty after Southport killer sentenced

One MP for Nigel Farage’s party, Lee Anderson, posted a picture of a noose on his X account, adding: ‘No apologies here. This is what is required!’, while prime minister Sir Keir Starmer said Rudakubana would ‘likely never be released’

www.independent.co.uk

Why not have a debate, see the overall public mood towards the death penalty? If it turns out to be a popular policy and attracts votes...

 

[darkwolf666]

Why not have a debate, see the overall public mood towards the death penalty? If it turns out to be a popular policy and attracts votes...

Because the public can be stupid, and easily mislead… see Brexit as a good example!

 

[TomandJerry]

Because the public are stupid… see Brexit as an example!

But we also live in a democracy

 

[darkwolf666]

But we also live in a democracy

We do indeed, unfortunately though, literally life and death decisions shouldn’t be based on the word of a snake oil salesman!

 

[TomandJerry]

We do indeed, unfortunately though, literally life and death decisions shouldn’t be based on the word of a snake oil salesman!

It wouldn't be Farage acting alone as a judge, jury and executor - he's not the king.

 

[darkwolf666]

It wouldn't be Farage acting alone as a judge, jury and executor - he's not the king.

I could have sworn you said this…!

“Why not have a debate, see the overall public mood towards the death penalty? If it turns out to be a popular policy and attracts votes...”

 

[TomandJerry]

I could have sworn you said this…!

“Why not have a debate, see the overall public mood towards the death penalty? If it turns out to be a popular policy and attracts votes...”

Yes, but I never said Farage would be judge jury and executor.

Obviously a fair trial and extremely exceptional circumstances

 

[darkwolf666]

Yes, but I never said Farage would be judge jury and executor.

Obviously a fair trial and extremely exceptional circumstances

How many deaths due to miscarriage of justice is acceptable to you?

 

[TomandJerry]

How many deaths due to miscarriage of justice is acceptable to you?

None - that's why you need cast iron, indisputable proof and various appeals

 

[Thunder Bolt]

None - that's why you need cast iron, indisputable proof and various appeals

No court will ever have that. Finding someone guilty is beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[TomandJerry]

No court will ever have that. Finding someone guilty is beyond reasonable doubt.

But in the realm's of the death penalty it would have to be set at that standard, only being beyond reasonable doubt shouldn't be enough to enforce a death penalty

 

[darkwolf666]

None - that's why you need cast iron, indisputable proof and various appeals

None - that's why you need cast iron, indisputable proof and various appeals

So what are miscarriages of justice? Did they not have the evidence you speak of?

 

[BadFish]

Why not have a debate, see the overall public mood towards the death penalty? If it turns out to be a popular policy and attracts votes...

They could do a referendum.

What could go wrong?

 

[TomandJerry]

So what are miscarriages of justice? Did they not have the evidence you speak of?

Being beyond reasonable doubt shouldn't be the standard for the death penalty

They should require cast iron indisputable proof