[Music] Eurovision Song Contest - a question about how the public votes were allocated

[aftershavedave]

I'm no great fan as I think it's overly camped up, which can be tedious, but here's a question:

As far as I can find, there were 58 votes allocated to each of the 39 competitors, which I make to be 2,262 votes to be allocated across the entries.

Now, to get 1 vote as a result would equate to something like 0.0004 of the total public votes. So to score 0 like we did (and some other, I can't remember who) would mean a crazily low score by the public. Even in elections the fringe candidates score "something" so how comes we got a zero?

Can anyone explain? Am I way out here?

Cheers

 

[Dave the OAP]

Everyone just hates us.

simples really

 

[The aloof gatekeeper]

We didn't place in the top ten of any countries' televote. If we had have done we'd have got a point.

 

[Bodian]

I'm no great fan as I think it's overly camped up, which can be tedious, but here's a question:

As far as I can find, there were 58 votes allocated to each of the 39 competitors, which I make to be 2,262 votes to be allocated across the entries.

Now, to get 1 vote as a result would equate to something like 0.0004 of the total public votes. So to score 0 like we did (and some other, I can't remember who) would mean a crazily low score by the public. Even in elections the fringe candidates score "something" so how comes we got a zero?

Can anyone explain? Am I way out here?

Cheers

It's not a percentage of the total votes cast. Each country have 12/10/8/7 etc to allocate - and do this by allocating the points to the top ten voted for in their country. So what getting 0 points means is that in no country did we get enough to get into the top 10. We could have been 11th out of 26 in every country and not picked up a single point.

 

[Kenn]

I'm no great fan as I think it's overly camped up, which can be tedious, but here's a question:

As far as I can find, there were 58 votes allocated to each of the 39 competitors, which I make to be 2,262 votes to be allocated across the entries.

Now, to get 1 vote as a result would equate to something like 0.0004 of the total public votes. So to score 0 like we did (and some other, I can't remember who) would mean a crazily low score by the public. Even in elections the fringe candidates score "something" so how comes we got a zero?

Can anyone explain? Am I way out here?

Cheers

Put simply, each of the 39 voting countries plus the rest of the world (which is counted as one country) count their votes and then allocate their points to the top ten countries that their countries public voted for, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12. All those points from all the voting countries are added together and given as one big total to each participating country. So as an example, even though I'm sure this didn't happen, the UK could have ranked 11th in every country's public voting but scored 0 points.

Edit - pretty much exactly what Brovian said, albeit a minute quicker than me!

 

[aftershavedave]

We didn't place in the top ten of any countries' televote. If we had have done we'd have got a point.

Thank you!

 

[Dave the OAP]

We didn't place in the top ten of any countries' televote. If we had have done we'd have got a point.

…..and everyone hates us

 

[The aloof gatekeeper]

As an example, we finished 19th in the Australian televote, 18th in the Irish, and 17th in the Maltese.

Can't be bothered to go through them all, but you get the picture.

 

[Bodian]

As an example, we finished 19th in the Australian televote, 18th in the Irish, and 17th in the Maltese.

Can't be bothered to go through them all, but you get the picture.

Behind the nul points: 🇬🇧 50% of the televoting countries put the UK in their bottom 3 - ESCXTRA.com

The United Kingdom finished last night's Eurovision final in Basel with a respectable score from the

escxtra.com

8 countries had us bottom.
Highest placing was 18th (three countries).

Nowhere near getting a point!

 

[GT49er]

If only UEFA could make qualification for the Conference league that simple...................

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

…..and everyone hates us

Didn't see last night, but the one time in recent years when we actually had a good entry we came second to Ukraine (for obvious reasons in the circumstances).

Most years our entry's either shit or eminently forgettable. When it's half decent people vote for it.

 

[alanfp]

Now, to get 1 vote as a result would equate to something like 0.0004 of the total public votes. So to score 0 like we did (and some other, I can't remember who) would mean a crazily low score by the public. Even in elections the fringe candidates score "something" so how comes we got a zero?

As any accountant will tell you... 'rounding'!

 

[Eeyore]

Didn't see last night, but the one time in recent years when we actually had a good entry we came second to Ukraine (for obvious reasons in the circumstances).

Most years our entry's either shit or eminently forgettable. When it's half decent people vote for it.

Yes, I used to think that Europe had an attitude towards us. But Sam Ryder won the judges vote and had Ukraine not been the choice of the heart could have won the contest. Slightly puts the 'they all hate us' theory to bed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

…..and everyone hates us

Everyone hates Switzerland and Spain too, as they also got zero points from the public.

 

[Eeyore]

Everyone hates Switzerland and Spain too, as they also got zero points from the public.

Looks like France & Spain haven't won it for even longer than the UK.

 

[Albion my Albion]

exactly what Brovian Bodian said

or is this some kind of running joke?

 

[stewart12]

Didn't see last night, but the one time in recent years when we actually had a good entry we came second to Ukraine (for obvious reasons in the circumstances).

Most years our entry's either shit or eminently forgettable. When it's half decent people vote for it.

Yep we pretty much always put forward completely bland acts so we only have ourselves to blame really.

We are one of, if not the, most prolific music producing countries on earth but simply can't seem to crack the code when it comes to this

 

[ROSM]

Yep we pretty much always put forward completely bland acts so we only have ourselves to blame really.

We are one of, if not the, most prolific music producing countries on earth but simply can't seem to crack the code when it comes to this

The UK music industry is seen in Europe as a bullying big brother who doesn't engage much unless we want to nick something and then it's on our terms.

That does highlight how much we are out of kilter. You can imagine some very great commercial hits that wouldn't win eurovision. Vienna by Ultavox or Karma Chameleon by Culture Club aside perhaps

 

[Mellotron]

I didn’t think ours was the greatest song but the vocal performances live on the night were miles better than many of the others, so to see it last or practically last on all their public voting seems a bit mad to me.

Also, the year we came second yes Sam Ryder’s song was good, but we also - at the time - were getting positive press internationally for being possibly the first country in Western Europe to loudly and positively back Ukraine. Now, we have a situation where we’re probably seen in Europe as still cosying up to Trump more than they’d like.

So I do wonder if it’s a little bit of a factor, if not the main one.

 

[Official Old Man]

Looks like France & Spain haven't won it for even longer than the UK.

Well known fact that Spain go out of their way to NOT win it due to the costs of putting on the event the following year.
A few others are the same hence why we watch it, to see how bad some of these songs are.