[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[fly high]

I took particular note that there was a substantial delay in Putin giving his speech in the middle of the night.

He may have delayed it for dramatic effect, but I wonder if there was disagreement behind the scenes, and the speech went through several iterations before it was deemed ready to be delivered.

Beneath the faux confidence and nonchalance, there may be a mad scramble going on.

For me it just looks like Putin stalling again. He really doesn't want to negotiate any sort of deal as he knows Ukraine will not give him everything he wants. Now he has leaders, including Zelenskiy, saying they welcome his response when really he is just kicking a ceasefire into the long grass while keeping the opposition on side. Deeply cynical.

 

[Eric the meek]

Excellent response from Zelensky.

 

[Triggaaar]

For me it just looks like Putin stalling again. He really doesn't want to negotiate any sort of deal as he knows Ukraine will not give him everything he wants. Now he has leaders, including Zelenskiy, saying they welcome his response when really he is just kicking a ceasefire into the long grass while keeping the opposition on side. Deeply cynical.

Yes, but Zelensky knows this and it's not good news for Russia, it just means Putin can cling to power for a bit longer. No one with a brain thought Russia was about to agree to a lasting peace, so Ukraine knew the war would continue. As it continues, Russia's economy continues to worsen and they continue to lose a thousand troops a day.

What Ukraine needs is support from the West, and sanctions to remain on Russia. Putin's only hope is sanctions being removed and Ukraine losing military support. Otherwise Russia will be unable to make significant progress on the battlefield, and their economy back home will continue to fall until it reaches tipping point in the next couple of years.

 

[Eric the meek]

The US is worth listening to, when it doesn't actually say anything. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[sparkie]

Putin has announced that Russia and Ukraine should meet to negotiate a 'lasting peace'. - BBC.

They don't need to meet.

Putin can just order his troops to return home.

 

[raymondo]

Waiting for Russia to say the Pope is a Nazi NATO propagandist.

 

[Eric the meek]

A statement of intent from Germany.

 

[Eric the meek]

OK everyone, what was it then?

I'll be awarding a prize for the most inventive reply.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

They drew lots and Macron lost so it’s his turn in the barrel

 

[fly high]

OK everyone, what was it then?

I'll be awarding a prize for the most inventive reply.

It was the phone number of an escort girl the others highly rated.

 

[raymondo]

OK everyone, what was it then?

I'll be awarding a prize for the most inventive reply.

They were taking it in turns to make origami Taurus missiles and seeing if they could hit the window.

 

[raymondo]

There's a TWEET from Donald DOWN BELOW. No pressure on Russia but HAVE the MEETING Ukraine.
More game playing by Putin, but maybe Ukraine will join in to SEE what HAPPENS.

 

[fly high]

Zelensky offers to meet Putin after Trump demands Ukraine hold direct talks with Russia

"I will be waiting for Putin in Türkiye on Thursday. Personally," the Ukrainian leader says after Trump urged him to "have the meeting, now!"

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump effectively sides with Putin by ignoring Zelenskiy's push for a 30 day ceasefire before any negotiations could start by insisting Ukraine meet Russia in Turkey.

Wanker should have supported Zelenskiy in his request.

 

[fly high]

There's a TWEET from Donald DOWN BELOW. No pressure on Russia but HAVE the MEETING Ukraine.
More game playing by Putin, but maybe Ukraine will join in to SEE what HAPPENS.

Seems Putin has pissed off Trump about WWII.

 

[The Clamp]

Trump claiming credit for a war that took place before he was born.

And when he did get his chance to go to war? Bottled it.


He’s in no position to lecture anyone about war.

 

[raymondo]

Seems Putin has pissed off Trump about WWII.

I hope so, but Trump gets pissed off with Zelenskiy very easily, and has the patience of a saint with Putin

 

[raymondo]

Trump claiming credit for a war that took place before he was born.

And when he did get his chance to go to war? Bottled it.


He’s in no position to lecture anyone about war.

He's very spursy about that subject

 

[The Clamp]

Common knowledge but always worth revisiting.

“WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump acknowledged to advisors that he made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because “I wasn’t going to Vietnam,” his former lawyer told lawmakers during testimony on Wednesday”

Trump made up injury to dodge Vietnam service, his former lawyer testifies

Michael Cohen told lawmakers that Trump said it would be 'stupid' to serve in Vietnam.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[Eric the meek]

Germany's military revival. The shackles are gone and the scale of the revival may provide an element of comfort.

It's a 16 minute watch.

 

[raymondo]

Common knowledge but always worth revisiting.

“WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump acknowledged to advisors that he made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because “I wasn’t going to Vietnam,” his former lawyer told lawmakers during testimony on Wednesday”

Trump made up injury to dodge Vietnam service, his former lawyer testifies

Michael Cohen told lawmakers that Trump said it would be 'stupid' to serve in Vietnam.

www.militarytimes.com

AAhh, he has such principles, and loves to lecture Zelenskiy .