[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Expect speech from Vance with headline:-

Europe blocks peace deal

Wouldn't be surprised if follow up will be "If Europe continues to block peace deal then they can take over the protection of Ukraine and all US aid will stop".

Are they good at multi-tasking? They've got the ceasefire is-it-on-or-off issue on their desk, Starmer's response to Russia continuing to bomb civilians, Carney's speech on tariffs, signalgate is still biting their backsides, and now Putin has belatedly decided he wants UN sponsored regime change in Kyiv. Then there's the fight Trump has picked with the unions.

I hope none of this is going to eat into Trump's weekend. Those rounds of golf are not going to play themselves.

 

[raymondo]

Are they good at multi-tasking? They've got the ceasefire is-it-on-or-off issue on their desk, Starmer's response to Russia continuing to bomb civilians, Carney's speech on tariffs, signalgate is still biting their backsides, and now Putin has belatedly decided he wants UN sponsored regime change in Kyiv. Then there's the fight Trump has picked with the unions.

I hope none of this is going to eat into Trump's weekend. Those rounds of golf are not going to play themselves.

Plus he has to to review the plans for the Gaza Riviera development...Edit, and explain to Saudi and UAE why he's bombing the Houthis again, and ask Iran not to be develop nuclear weapons. Soon he'll have to ask Ukraine not to develop the same...

Normally Trump is the one putting out various headline grabbing shit to ensure no one, no media can focus on everything he's up to. Now they have to react to all the responses to their actions - also, Greenland said 'nah thanks' to tea with Usha, so some winning statement needs to come out from Vancey.

 

[fly high]

Plus he has to to review the plans for the Gaza Riviera development...Edit, and explain to Saudi and UAE why he's bombing the Houthis again, and ask Iran not to be develop nuclear weapons. Soon he'll have to ask Ukraine not to develop the same...

Normally Trump is the one putting out various headline grabbing shit to ensure no one, no media can focus on everything he's up to. Now they have to react to all the responses to their actions - also, Greenland said 'nah thanks' to tea with Usha, so some winning statement needs to come out from Vancey.

Putin says Greenland 'nothing to do with Russia' in nod to US

Speaking in the Arctic, Russia's president said Trump's plans were "serious" but nothing to do with Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk

Putin gives nod to US invasion/take over of Greenland. Yet to mention Canada but will need that for US?Russian control of Arctic & Arctic sea lanes.

 

[Mellotron]

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Let's suggest an interim government for Russia?

Breathtaking levels of arrogance from ol' Vlad.

 

[Eric the meek]

Let's suggest an interim government for Russia?

Breathtaking levels of arrogance from ol' Vlad.

Indeed.

You have to wonder why he didn't propose it before he invaded, suffered 900,000 casualties, and destroyed Russia's economy.
(But he doesn't want to talk about that).

 

[Doug-ees-evil]

F16 in use in Belgorod

F16s blowing up bridges in Russia!
Another major red line crossed without escalation/retaliation and nukes flying around.

 

[Triggaaar]

Now that European countries are finally getting round to implementing sensible defence policies, any country that cannot produce its own steel is surely going to be unable to deliver a genuinely credible defence policy of its own, let alone one that includes exports to allies.

We don't have to defend Ukraine alone so there's nothing wrong with importing steel from the likes of Germany, Spain and the Netherlands. Even the US has to rely on Taiwan to produce semiconductors for their weapons, it doesn't suddenly make US unable to defend itself.

As demonstrated by the recent change in leadership with the US, unless a country is truly independent industrially it will be susceptible to geo political events and the whims of other leaderships. For steel, that would likely mean the UK jumping into bed with the Chinese. I don’t need to spell out the potential issues there do I?

This has nothing to do with the war between Ukraine and Russia. If the whole of the EU suddenly decided to stop supporting Ukraine (which is the opposite to what's happening), then Ukraine are going to have problems regardless of the UK's steel production. Your points are insane.

As I have referenced previously, the days of this country being a military power are in the past, and that’s been a direction of travel taken by our political establishment of all colours in recent decades. It’s not just a UK position either, as Trump demonstrated its largely continent wide. Our political leadership need to be honest about our military capability, as a nation we are not ready for conflict with another major industrial power.

The UK wouldn't be fighting alone, and the EU dwarves Russia from and industrial point of view. The days of Russia being a military power are also in the past. They've had to withdraw from Syria and can't defend themselves from Ukraine. If you were being genuine with your posts you'd be pointing out that Russia is in huge trouble because realistically it cannot compete with the rest of Europe.

Whether or not we want to cut the welfare and other budgets to reestablish that status is a fair political policy to put to the public. We won’t get there if we can’t produce our own steel though……………

We don't need to re-establish an old status, we just need to do enough to stop Russia trying to rebuild their empire. What's this got to do with steel? Can you provide a source that states that the UK can't provide military assistance to anyone unless they produce their own steel?


Putin's plan all along was to take Ukraine quickly and easily (3 days) and parade the streets of Kyiv to rapturous applause from the adoring public. Had that have happened, Europe and the US wouldn't have intervened, because what could we do if Ukraine was ok with it all? But Putin's plan failed within a month. Ukraine put up huge resistance and pushed Russia back out of most of the territory they'd taken, and Ukraine have shown that they'll never surrender. Putin knows full well that he'd have no chance in a war against the rest of Europe, so his plan is to get what he can now and rely on the West not attacking him to take the land back (he'll be repeating threats that the occupied land is now part of Russia and any incursion will lead to nuclear war etc).

 

[Triggaaar]

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Triggaaar from NSC suggests there should be an interim government in Russia, under the support of the UN

 

[raymondo]

Putin says Greenland 'nothing to do with Russia' in nod to US

Speaking in the Arctic, Russia's president said Trump's plans were "serious" but nothing to do with Moscow.

www.bbc.co.uk

Putin gives nod to US invasion/take over of Greenland. Yet to mention Canada but will need that for US?Russian control of Arctic & Arctic sea lanes.

My growing assumption is that the US and Russia are heading towards a union 'without limits' ...let's see.

 

[raymondo]

F16s blowing up bridges in Russia!
Another major red line crossed without escalation/retaliation and nukes flying around.

Putin hardly notices what happens in Belgorod or Kursk...he's too focused on manipulating Trump.

 

[Triggaaar]

My growing assumption is that the US and Russia are heading towards a union 'without limits' ...let's see.

The US are still sending military aid to Ukraine. US soldiers are not going to go to war with Europe in order to help Russia.

 

[Eric the meek]

Apologies for the change of subject (I'm not a Russian, honest), but this may be something.

Kadyrov is reported to be trying to move his assets and maybe his family out of Russia.

As a result (?) he has had a difference of opinion with Putin. Hmm.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

The latest (bend over) minerals 'deal' https://open.substack.com/pub/phill...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4shdhp

 

[Eric the meek]

The latest (bend over) minerals 'deal' https://open.substack.com/pub/phill...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4shdhp

Just seen it on Euromaidan Press.

 

[Triggaaar]

The latest (bend over) minerals 'deal' https://open.substack.com/pub/phill...?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4shdhp

It's weird. Does it put any requirements on the US at all? For example, if Ukraine were to say to the US 'What do we get in return for this deal?', and the US say something like 'We'll send aid/intelligence', is that actually written in the deal? There's no point in the US saying 'Sign the deal or we'll withdraw help' because Ukraine could sign the deal and the US withdraw help anyway.

Are the EU able to provide the necessary intelligence to Ukraine if the US withdraws help?

 

[Triggaaar]

Just seen it on Euromaidan Press.

Someone shoot that **** already

 

[SouthSaxon]

It's weird. Does it put any requirements on the US at all? For example, if Ukraine were to say to the US 'What do we get in return for this deal?', and the US say something like 'We'll send aid/intelligence', is that actually written in the deal? There's no point in the US saying 'Sign the deal or we'll withdraw help' because Ukraine could sign the deal and the US withdraw help anyway.

Are the EU able to provide the necessary intelligence to Ukraine if the US withdraws help?

Exactly. The US is saying they’ve already paid their share in aid since 2022. This is purely about money for them, and lots of it, the greedy immoral pricks.

 

[raymondo]

The US are still sending military aid to Ukraine. US soldiers are not going to go to war with Europe in order to help Russia.

Yes. I'm not saying they'll reach a union without limits, just that seems the direction of travel at the moment. I believe it will change at some point.
IIUC that military aid is the remainder of that agreed under the Biden administration.

 

[beorhthelm]

F16s blowing up bridges in Russia!
Another major red line crossed without escalation/retaliation and nukes flying around.

there was commentry some weeks back that Putin has long ago burnt the nuclear threat, having repeatedly said there were redlines then done nothing. there is a suspicion they are shit scared if they did launch they wouldn't work, neutralising their entire nuclear defence under MAD doctrine.

 

[raymondo]

Just seen it on Euromaidan Press.

Just tell the US to f*ck off after the current agreed military supplies dry up.
Extortion without guarantees. Europe or someone needs to call this out as extortion. Maybe Carney will.