But look at what the goals of the two countries are. They're both fundamentally against democracy, so while they have issues with each other they see the West as their main enemy.
[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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But look at what the goals of the two countries are. They're both fundamentally against democracy, so while they have issues with each other they see the West as their main enemy.
Indeed there's nothing to gain from Ukraine saying what it thinks of Trump.
But they need to be strong and ignore the threats from the US - eg the 'You need to agree to this ceasefire to show you're interested in peace' BS. Ukraine can sign a complete ceasefire with no restrictions to show it's interested in peace. And they should bomb Russian ports to stop them getting their export economy going. Ukraine need to pretend to be interested in what Trump wants, but keep fighting to stop Russia from profiting.
SeagullinExile
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Given the advance of drones, I'm not sure landing barges are the way forward. Taiwan should have a million of them at the ready.
Taiwan is one of the most fortified countries on the planet. China would incur heavy losses trying to take it, drones or not.
Given the advance of drones, I'm not sure landing barges are the way forward. Taiwan should have a million of them at the ready.
I think you're right, twas posturing, but Brussels I'm sure will play it very carefully.
Exactly that - play it both ways.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Agree with you both, for now. I posted before* about Ukraine’s red lines being further down this process. The longer this gets drawn out, the better for them.
I’m convinced Europe is fully awake to what’s going on (some still seem to doubt this). Spain’s PM was just quoted as saying this to its congress (bold mine):
It’s a strong statement, as these things go.
* Yesterday? What day is it? What even is time anymore?!
I'm confused by the quote. If the bold is yours, and I remove it, then Spain's PM said:
"Russian neo-imperialism and the compel Europe to step up and be brave. As Europeans, we continue to believe in diplomacy and prosperity. But … Others will no longer protect our skies and our borders, so we will have to do that ourselves."
Did you bold too much?
- Aug 24, 2020
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Imagine having to do a full time job, while being a regular on this thread. Nightmare.
I thought you'd retired?
- Aug 24, 2020
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I have. I was thinking of people like you.
depends on the job
Yeah, what day indeed
. We're posting our arses off trying to make sense of the world while Trump and Co say and do random dangerous stuff then spend the weekend golfing and skiing.
- Jan 25, 2025
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I don’t need to imagine it. My productivity might have suffered a bit, but don’t tell anyone
- Jan 25, 2025
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As in, I made those bits of the quote bold to emphasise them. You don’t need to remove them…
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- Jan 25, 2025
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Oh Christ
I’m not alone in feeling a touch befuddled by all this, it seems
GoldstoneVintage
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Guessing there won't be a cease fire then.
www.bbc.com
Russia says sanctions must be lifted before Ukraine maritime ceasefire can start
Moscow and Kyiv appear at odds over when and how the US-brokered deal will come into effect.
www.bbc.com
The Clamp
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This is what happens when we have the US and Russia discussing deals while keeping Ukraine out of the room.Guessing there won't be a cease fire then.
Russia says sanctions must be lifted before Ukraine maritime ceasefire can start
Moscow and Kyiv appear at odds over when and how the US-brokered deal will come into effect.
Nothing will ever be agreed this way.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Ah! I hadn’t appreciated the EU aspect to this. UK and Canada also had a say in these sanctions, according to Wikipedia.Guessing there won't be a cease fire then.
Russia says sanctions must be lifted before Ukraine maritime ceasefire can start
Moscow and Kyiv appear at odds over when and how the US-brokered deal will come into effect.
That would suggest some sleight of hand on Russia’s part. I’d entirely believe either that the US delegation just didn’t know what they were agreeing to (stupidity & incompetence) or that they intend to pressure Europe/Canada to agree (malignancy).
It does seem like a total non-starter to me, if this report is correct, which it appears to be.