[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

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Sirnormangall

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Sep 21, 2017
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Eric the meek said:
What have we got here?

First, Ukraine claim Sokolov was killed in the missile attack on the Sevastopol HQ of the Black Sea fleet.

Then Russia deny he was killed, and post a video of him in a meeting. But the video shows him only on a video link to the meeting, and not in the meeting itself. The clip of him is a less than convincing portrayal of a naval commander full of life. Sokolov doesn't move at all during the clip. Surely it wasn't beyond the Russians to find a clip of him (current or historical) in which Sokolov had a more convincing display of being alive?

For me, I have no idea whether he is alive or dead. The Russian video gave no clue. All it did was to confuse, obfuscate, and raise more questions. Perhaps that was the aim.

Watch the video (and read Michael Clarke's dismissal of it) here:

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Likewise, I’ve no idea if he’s alive or dead, but if there’s something Russia is very good at it’s propaganda, misinformation and downright lying
 




Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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Sirnormangall said:
Likewise, I’ve no idea if he’s alive or dead, but if there’s something Russia is very good at it’s propaganda, misinformation and downright lying
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Indeed.

I have always found it really, really odd behaviour for a nation state, ostensibly a 'super' power, that purportedly wants to be taken seriously, wants to be a player on the global stage etc.
By releasing videos like this, clearly designed to be vague and inconclusive, they betray their arrogance and in a sense, their unworldliness, in that they don't appreciate the damage they are doing to their reputation on the world stage.
 


Hugo Rune

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Sirnormangall said:
Likewise, I’ve no idea if he’s alive or dead, but if there’s something Russia is very good at it’s propaganda, misinformation and downright lying
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I saw a great documentary on the Beeb about the Russian revolution. The people in charge of Russia have been lying for centuries. Stalin got himself ‘photoshopped’ into photos from the ‘revolution’ which were published in the national press. Oh….and the revolution never happened in the way most Russians believe.

Lying and deception is the ‘go to’ for Russian leadership and probably always has been.

Are Ukrainian leaders are any different?
 


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Hugo Rune said:
I saw a great documentary on the Beeb about the Russian revolution. The people in charge of Russia have been lying for centuries. Stalin got himself ‘photoshopped’ into photos from the ‘revolution’ which were published in the national press. Oh….and the revolution never happened in the way most Russians believe.

Lying and deception is the ‘go to’ for Russian leadership and probably always has been.

Are Ukrainian leaders are any different?
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Well.................yes.......

Unless you are a Putin supporter of course, and believe all the Russian official media shit. Are you sure NSC is the place for you?
 






Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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Hugo Rune said:
I saw a great documentary on the Beeb about the Russian revolution. The people in charge of Russia have been lying for centuries. Stalin got himself ‘photoshopped’ into photos from the ‘revolution’ which were published in the national press. Oh….and the revolution never happened in the way most Russians believe.

Lying and deception is the ‘go to’ for Russian leadership and probably always has been.

Are Ukrainian leaders are any different?
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Russia's Hostile Intent - Why does Russia Behave like this? What does it achieve?​

Some time ago, I watched a very good video discussion hosted by Jonathan Fink. The key point is that Russia has not gone through the societal transformations that western liberal democracies have, and is operating in an entirely different timeframe (centuries old) when compared to the west. This message is in the first few minutes of the video, link below:

 


Hugo Rune

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Triggaaar said:
Bit OT, but briefly what do they believe, and what is the truth?
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I’m sure you can dig out the documentary on the iplayer but centrists took control of Russia. Lenin and Trotsky were abroad and then waltzed in 6 months later to seize control. It was not violent and those two did not overthrow the royal family.

Russian history has been re-written time and again by those that rule. The lying and deception is profound. It’s normalised in Russia, it appears to be ingrained in their culture, in their DNA. The more power - the more lies.
 






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raymondo

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Russia is bidding to rejoin the UN Human Rights Council from which they were expelled after the Invasion in April 22.
Full article is on BBC website. ..but here's one vomit inducing section.

"In the next elections, due on 10 October, Russia will compete with Albania and Bulgaria for the two seats on the council reserved for central and eastern European countries.
The Alley of the Flags at the United Nations European headquarters is seen during the Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland, September 11, 2023

IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
The Alley of the Flags at the United Nations HQ in Geneva, where the Human Rights Council meets

The vote will involve all 193 members of the UN general assembly in New York. Diplomats there said Russia was campaigning aggressively, offering small countries grain and arms in return for their votes."
 








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crookie

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raymondo said:
Russia is bidding to rejoin the UN Human Rights Council from which they were expelled after the Invasion in April 22.
Full article is on BBC website. ..but here's one vomit inducing section.

"In the next elections, due on 10 October, Russia will compete with Albania and Bulgaria for the two seats on the council reserved for central and eastern European countries.
The Alley of the Flags at the United Nations European headquarters is seen during the Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland, September 11, 2023

IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
The Alley of the Flags at the United Nations HQ in Geneva, where the Human Rights Council meets

The vote will involve all 193 members of the UN general assembly in New York. Diplomats there said Russia was campaigning aggressively, offering small countries grain and arms in return for their votes."
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Surreal, clear to anyone with half a brain cell that Russia, if it even understands what Human Rights are, has absolutely zero respect for them
 


















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Early reports coming out that the Freedom For Russia Legion have launched another incursion into Belgorod region around Terebreno and Starosel'e




Also that a transport aircraft allegedly carrying Wagner ops has crashed on landing in Mali

 




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