[Football] Mason Greenwood

[Thunder Bolt]

The video is genuine and on that evidence alone should never play again in uk. I think what was seen was so bad that it would justify a complete boycott of any game he played in.
There must be loads of men that are never prosecuted because victim does not want to go through experience of pressing charges. It doesnt mean I would employ them.

Unfortunately, this is true. The whole process of sexual crimes from the initial medical examination , to being cross examined, often by the defendant themselves, means victims just want to hide away, and block it out.

 

[amexer]

I dont miss many games but would be happy to support the boycott of a game if he was appearing against the Albion.
Utd are going to have to pay up his contract

 

[wellquickwoody]

surprised this hasn’t come up on here, and have just done a search to check.
Charges have been dropped against him for rape and assault, Manure seem to be working towards bringing him back, but there is plenty of opposition to it - Rachel Riley, for example.
On the one hand, what happened to “innocent until proven guilty”. On the other hand there’s no smoke without fire.
I can’t help thinking it’s a potential PR disaster for Manure. Or will it all blow over.

Really, no smoke without fire? Whilst I get that this can sometimes be the case, can we really condemn people who have not been proven to be guilty? Anyone comfortable with that concept needs to be the hangman.

 

[Van Cleef]

Seems unnecessarily flip. The headline I saw was her saying she would stop supporting ManU if Greenwood stayed. If she’s anything like representative of the fanbase — certainly the female side of the fanbase — it will have sent a chill through their PR and marketing departments. As a fan and as a woman, her opinion is valuable. Even the home fans were demonstrating last week. Imagine the hostility at away grounds if he ever appeared. Forget his impact on the team, the damage to the Manchester United brand would be colossal, with advertisers and sponsors pulling out.

It’s obvious that he'll never play for them again and I’m surprised that management at the club even considered it a possibility.

A sensible and reasoned post. I agree. But surely DD's joke must have made you smile?

 

[Baldseagull]

Seems nuts that Man Utd. don't just take the hit, pay up his contract and wave goodbye, looks even worse when they will give Slabhead a chunk of cash to disappear.

 

[Seaview Seagull]

I hate to feel some sympathy for Man Utd, but I do with this situation. In the eyes of the law (and I assume contract law) they can't simply cancel his contract as he hasn't been found guilty of any crime. On the other hand, there's no way he can play for the club again and no decent club are going to want him. So United are a bit stuck.

They should really have just let his contract run out without playing him and not commented further. Pretty much what City did with Mendy

There is a slight misunderstanding here. Civil And employment law work ork on 'balance of probabilities' not 'beyond reasonable doubt' so the test is different for Man U if they choose to terminate the employment. There may also be clauses in the contract to do with bringing the club into disrepute.

 

[dazzer6666]

United would be mental to let him back into the club, I cant see him having a career anywhere in England. He may be able to go play abroad somewhere.

Was he not also one of those who got caught shagging in Iceland with Phil Foden? sneaking out to meet girls or sneaking them into the hotel?

yep....

 

[Randy McNob]

There is a slight misunderstanding here. Civil And employment law work ork on 'balance of probabilities' not 'beyond reasonable doubt' so the test is different for Man U if they choose to terminate the employment. There may also be clauses in the contract to do with bringing the club into disrepute.

if he we was guilty they could

 

[drew]

Really, no smoke without fire? Whilst I get that this can sometimes be the case, can we really condemn people who have not been proven to be guilty? Anyone comfortable with that concept needs to be the hangman.

Obviously as a general rule innocent till proven guilty. In this case, the evidence speaks for itself.

Anybody that has seen/heard the recordings that were widely available on social media are likely of the same view that he shouldn't be playing. if you've seen those posts, then it would seem you are condoning violence against women but the vast majority don't.

 

[drew]

I hate to feel some sympathy for Man Utd, but I do with this situation. In the eyes of the law (and I assume contract law) they can't simply cancel his contract as he hasn't been found guilty of any crime. On the other hand, there's no way he can play for the club again and no decent club are going to want him. So United are a bit stuck.

They should really have just let his contract run out without playing him and not commented further. Pretty much what City did with Mendy

You don't have to commit a crime to have your contract cancelled. Remember a guy called Gus Poyet? He had his contract cancelled but I'm pretty sure he never committed a crime in the eyes of the law!!

 

[Beanstalk]

Seems nuts that Man Utd. don't just take the hit, pay up his contract and wave goodbye, looks even worse when they will give Slabhead a chunk of cash to disappear.

Whilst that may be the sensible, ethical, option, they don't even need to do that. They should just ship him out on loan for a year somewhere where they don't care, and sell him next summer. If you remove him being a terrible human being, he's a footballer who last played a professional game 19 months ago. He's not going to be ready to play for Manchester United's first team for ages - why on earth are they even pretending he'll slot straight in?

 

[drew]

Unfortunately, this is true. The whole process of sexual crimes from the initial medical examination , to being cross examined, often by the defendant themselves, means victims just want to hide away, and block it out.

Not sure that's the case here though, the 'alleged' victim decided not to be a witness and help the Police and, by coincidence, has recently had Greenwood's child!!!

 

[Sheebo]

Would fit in with RDZ’s style perfectly.. It’s a yes from me.

Oh.

 

[Albion in the north]

#TeamRiley

 

[pb21]

if he we was guilty they could

Guilty in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of the employer?

 

[Stumpy Tim]

You don't have to commit a crime to have your contract cancelled. Remember a guy called Gus Poyet? He had his contract cancelled but I'm pretty sure he never committed a crime in the eyes of the law!!

Good point well made!

 

[Acker79]

If you're that way inclined, it can be easy to be sympathetic toward Greenwood on the basis of there being no guilty verdict in court, or because she's gone back to him. Perhaps you should also consider...

The legal system is currently a mess. It takes several years for most cases to come to trial, with rape trials regularly collapsing because it takes on average 3-4 years to come to trial and the stress for victims is too much, and with chances of conviction often decreasing over time as accounts of events get less certain, or are more open to slight changes in the telling that bring in doubts.

Hundreds of rape and sexual assault trials collapse amid court delays

Hundreds of rape and sexual assault trials are collapsing each year as alleged victims drop out of prosecutions amid rising fears over the effect of court delay

www.thetimes.co.uk

Rape victims left suicidal by eight-year court delays

Number of victims facing multiple postponement of trials has more than doubled

www.telegraph.co.uk

Delays to rape trials in England and Wales ‘devastating’ for victims

Rescheduling and long waits damage victims’ mental health and lead some to take their own lives, report says

www.theguardian.com

Victims of a range of crimes are dropping charges because of the mess the legal system is in due to years of underfunding, and focusing on headlines about maximum sentances without dealing with underlying issues.


People who work supporting women have said it takes, on average, 7 attempts to leave an abusive partner before someone leaves for good (and some say it goes much higher if the woman has little/no money of her own). And there can be many reasons they stay/go back (leaving can be dangerous, children may be involved, resources available, cycle of violence and hope for change (link below goes into deatil). And that's just considering regular relationships, not factoring in a tribal fan base constantly abusing you (or fear of the same) for ruining things.

Why it takes women 7 attempts to leave an abusive relationship - and how you can help

“On average, it takes a woman 7 attempts to leave an abusive relationship for good.” Jane Clayborne, director of community relations at…

vpfw.com

Why It's So Difficult to Leave | Women Against Abuse

www.womenagainstabuse.org

Without money, it takes 30 attempts to leave a violent relationship

Financial control is one of the most difficult barriers to overcome when leaving a violent relationship. Read more.

au.finance.yahoo.com

 

[Bozza]

A copy and paste from a similar thread...

A reminder: if you state definitively that someone did or said something, and that thing was not proven in court, then you must be prepared to stand up in court and prove that thing if challenged to do so. The burden of proof will be on YOU to prove it happened, not on the other party to prove it didn't.

Millionaire Premier League footballers have deeper pockets than you.

Are they likely to come after you because of something posted on a Brighton message board? Probably not, no. But I suspect you don't want to find out.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not sure that's the case here though, the 'alleged' victim decided not to be a witness and help the Police and, by coincidence, has recently had Greenwood's child!!!

I agree but I also think the transcript/photos of bruises and social media were a way of crying for help.

Many times, domestic abuse victims believe their abuser, who tells them they love them and it was a one-off. It rarely proves to be the case.
Even when a relationship breaks down, and the abuser moves on, the new victim believes it won't happen with them as they have 'true love'.
I'm sure @The Clamp lamp has heard this many, many times in his work.

Two women a week die from a domestic abuser.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

If you're that way inclined, it can be easy to be sympathetic toward Greenwood on the basis of there being no guilty verdict in court, or because she's gone back to him. Perhaps you should also consider...

The legal system is currently a mess. It takes several years for most cases to come to trial, with rape trials regularly collapsing because it takes on average 3-4 years to come to trial and the stress for victims is too much, and with chances of conviction often decreasing over time as accounts of events get less certain, or are more open to slight changes in the telling that bring in doubts.

Hundreds of rape and sexual assault trials collapse amid court delays

Hundreds of rape and sexual assault trials are collapsing each year as alleged victims drop out of prosecutions amid rising fears over the effect of court delay

www.thetimes.co.uk

Rape victims left suicidal by eight-year court delays

Number of victims facing multiple postponement of trials has more than doubled

www.telegraph.co.uk

Delays to rape trials in England and Wales ‘devastating’ for victims

Rescheduling and long waits damage victims’ mental health and lead some to take their own lives, report says

www.theguardian.com

Victims of a range of crimes are dropping charges because of the mess the legal system is in due to years of underfunding, and focusing on headlines about maximum sentances without dealing with underlying issues.


People who work supporting women have said it takes, on average, 7 attempts to leave an abusive partner before someone leaves for good (and some say it goes much higher if the woman has little/no money of her own). And there can be many reasons they stay/go back (leaving can be dangerous, children may be involved, resources available, cycle of violence and hope for change (link below goes into deatil). And that's just considering regular relationships, not factoring in a tribal fan base constantly abusing you (or fear of the same) for ruining things.

Why it takes women 7 attempts to leave an abusive relationship - and how you can help

“On average, it takes a woman 7 attempts to leave an abusive relationship for good.” Jane Clayborne, director of community relations at…

vpfw.com

Why It's So Difficult to Leave | Women Against Abuse

www.womenagainstabuse.org

Without money, it takes 30 attempts to leave a violent relationship

Financial control is one of the most difficult barriers to overcome when leaving a violent relationship. Read more.

au.finance.yahoo.com

I wish I could like this more than once. The Criminal Justice system has been cut back to the bone, with some bones being removed completely, since 2010.