[Music] The Rise and Fall of Britpop on BBC Sounds

[AmexRuislip]

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This'll take you back, if like me, you enjoyed listening to Jo Whiley and Steve Lamacq on the Evening Sessions

 

[clapham_gull]

God I hated all that. It was a London centric PR attempt to copy what happened somewhat more organically in places like Manchester.

I made the mistake of working in Camden at the time.

 

[Napper]

Did it fall ?

 

[BadFish]

Some good music came out of Britpop.

But most of the good stuff was attached to the scene from outside. the Charlatans, Verve, Pulp, Radiohead.

I will give this a listen but you can shove your Menswear and Marion where the sun don't shine.

I'll take shoegaze any day of the week

 

[Live by the sea]

I started to lose interest in music around the Brit pop time . Still not recovered . Bring back the 80’s is what I say !

 

[BadFish]

God I hated all that. It was a London centric PR attempt to copy what happened somewhat more organically in places like Manchester.

I made the mistake of working in Camden at the time.

Everything got lumped into it though. Liam Gallagher eloquently tweeted the other day the oasis and Verve weren't Britpop.

As you hint here to me Britpop were those Camden bands, sleeper, menswear etc. All a bit samey but a few decent songs.

 

[BadFish]

I started to lose interest in music around the Brit pop time . Still not recovered . Bring back the 80’s is what I say !

How old were you?

 

[AmexRuislip]

Some good music came out of Britpop.

But most of the good stuff was attached to the scene from outside. the Charlatans, Verve, Pulp, Radiohead.

I will give this a listen but you can shove your Menswear and Marion where the sun don't shine.

I'll take shoegaze any day of the week

So far it's more of a personal view from Whiley and Lamacq.
A funny moment of DLT and cologne

 

[Napper]

90s easily beat decade

 

[Comrade Sam]

I was always too Mod for Brit pop. However, my wife is younger and saw Blur etc when she was a teen and before they all made the charts. My 15 year old is now into it and saw Blur on Saturday - supported by Sleaford Mods, so not all bad. Thanks for the heads up, as I've sent a link to my daughter.

 

[AmexRuislip]

I was always too Mod for Brit pop. However, my wife is younger and saw Blur etc when she was a teen and before they all made the charts. My 15 year old is now into it and saw Blur on Saturday - supported by Sleaford Mods, so not all bad. Thanks for the heads up, as I've sent a link to my daughter.

Tried to get tickets to see Blur next week at the BBC, hosted by JW.
Have to settle for BBC Sounds.

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[clapham_gull]

How old were you?

I lost interest around that time too, massively.

Too be fair I was at University in Manchester at the back end of "Madchester" , really the last time you could get a band together and be on Top of The Pops a few months later.

Coming out of that and working in London, it was very clear how utterly fake the whole scene was.

Around that time we saw an emergence of file sharing that was a nuclear bomb for an industry that had long disappeared up it's own arsehole. It produced a whole millennial self entitled generation who thought music didn't have to be paid for.

They retrospectively deserved each other and I was quite entertained by the industry attracting a consumer base that was actively destroying it.

Technology has obviously changed a lot now as has the desire for live events backed up by instant response on social media.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Going to see Pulp in Sheffield on Friday.

 

[BadFish]

Going to see Pulp in Sheffield on Friday.

I'm hoping Pulp come over to Australia, I have heard they have been brilliant on this tour.

Great band.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I'm hoping Pulp come over to Australia, I have heard they have been brilliant on this tour.

Great band.

If they are brilliant, I'll tell you they were crap so you won't be too disappointed if they don't make it to Australia.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

90s easily beat decade

No, the 60s was the beat decade

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Skiffle
Merseybeat
Mod
Rock
Prog Rock
Punk
Post punk

I'm not sure post punk was an identifiable thing, given its diversity. More a lazy trope.
The Sound
Joy Division
Comsat Angels
The Cure
Cocteau Twins....hmmmm..........

After that it has been lots of different music and music types. Grunge was OK, sad melancholic updated 70s guitar rock, though. Euphoric trance was the next thing that caught my attention....
Then so many fragmented genres, too many to bother with lables
I'd never heard of shoegaze till 20 years after I first started listening to it. American term if I'm right?
And so on....

Also we had terms that didn't really mean much outside of popular radio and the emerging expanding festival phenomenon that began when Glasto and V took hold. Terminology that appeared to be invented by journos never had much traction with me..

Also some of the 'genres' sounded to me like revivalism. A lot of the stuff my son was listening to in the 90s sounded like 70s rock music. Pulp were the Kinks. Oasis were the Beatles. In themselves, alright but to my ears, not original. I quite liked Oasis like I liked a lot of mainstream pop.

However there was much more going on in the 90s than 'britpop' as I found when I reacquainted myself with Peel. For example....

Frontline Assembly
Kool Keith
Killing Joke
And Also The Trees
70 Gwen Party
DJ Shadow....

and so on.

Britpop as a thing is to me like, er, cool Britannia. More lazy trope than something meaningful. If Gallagher says Oasis were not Britpop, then there we have it.

 

[Nitram]

Never a fan of labelling in any part of life, as things are never that simple, although people want simple solutions and feel more comfortable when they think they have order and understanding.

 

[BadFish]

If they are brilliant, I'll tell you they were crap so you won't be too disappointed if they don't make it to Australia.

I appreciate that because I will still go.

 

[BadFish]

I listened to the first episode and enjoyed it. Sad that These Animal Men failed to get a mention alongside S*M*A*S*H. Brightons own and decent chaps to boot.

The pre Britpop bands mentioned were Suede, The Manics and Modern Life is Rubbish era Blur. Enjoyed all three, throw in shoe gaze and I was happy around that time.

All this running along side Hardcore and Drum and Bass meant that music was exciting (I was in my late teens so of course it was).