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[Finance] Man City accused of breaking EPL financial rules



NooBHA

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Jan 13, 2015
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Man City breaking the rules is like Donald Trump breaking the Law . Just when you think you got them they wriggle free
 




portlock seagull

Why? Why us?
Jul 28, 2003
17,199
Man City breaking the rules is like Donald Trump breaking the Law . Just when you think you got them they wriggle free
Not a bad analogy. Sadly.
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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If they have direct evidence that Mancini was being paid an additional "shadow contract" from a source in Abu Dhabi, and that their sponsorship deals were being artificially inflated, and that players were being paid extra on the snide (aka Chesterfield) without it being declared (amongst other stuff), then yep. I can actually see them getting clobbered.

I don't see the EPL bringing on a case of such serious allegations and magnitude unless they are ROCK SOLID on their findings, because they know full well City will throw all the best paid lawyers at it. UEFA f***ed it up and backed off. Why would the EPL do the same unless they were certain this case had legs ?
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
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dont think the PL have gone to all this trouble of investigation, releasing the long charge sheet to just let them off. i'm expecting a bit of an example to set.
 




Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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A link pinched from redcafe. The EPL and Citeh were in a court battle for over 2 years, to get Citeh to release documents. It was deliberately held BCD, until a judge ruled that others could attend.




This flies in the face of one of Citeh’s belligerent salvos today, that “… particularly given the extensive engagement and vast amount of detailed materials that the EPL has been provided with”.

They left out the bit that they fought the release for years.
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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A link pinched from redcafe. The EPL and Citeh were in a court battle for over 2 years, to get Citeh to release documents. It was deliberately held BCD, until a judge ruled that others could attend.




This flies in the face of one of Citeh’s belligerent salvos today, that “… particularly given the extensive engagement and vast amount of detailed materials that the EPL has been provided with”.

They left out the bit that they fought the release for years.

Yep. The reason this has gone on for so long is because every step of the way, the docs and information has had to be dragged kicking and screaming out of City. They have delayed and obfuscated the entire investigation in the hope of tying it up in lawyerspeak and red tape, in the hope it will eventually go away.

I would love it. LOVE IT. If they did a Juve on them and sent them down to the 2nd division. Or better still a Rangers, right into the noddy leagues. I know I know. But I can dream.
 


fruitnveg

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Jul 22, 2010
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Would be nice to see them dumped into the national league or league 2, reminiscent of Rangers in Scotchland. I'd be amazed if it happened though, PL too invested in City to allow it.
 






Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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Would be nice to see them dumped into the national league or league 2, reminiscent of Rangers in Scotchland. I'd be amazed if it happened though, PL too invested in City to allow it.
Not so sure that EPL are necessarily that invested with City.
Newcastle are breaking through into the Big 6 and they can just go back to having 6 big clubs in the top flight,until City work their way back.
 






Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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Or the FA etc could just enforce the rules in place.

If they have direct evidence that Mancini was being paid an additional "shadow contract" from a source in Abu Dhabi, and that their sponsorship deals were being artificially inflated, and that players were being paid extra on the snide (aka Chesterfield) without it being declared (amongst other stuff), then yep. I can actually see them getting clobbered.

I don't see the EPL bringing on a case of such serious allegations and magnitude unless they are ROCK SOLID on their findings, because they know full well City will throw all the best paid lawyers at it. UEFA f***ed it up and backed off. Why would the EPL do the same unless they were certain this case had legs ?
I agree with this. If the PL have gone this far it's been made public it's because they've got enough evidence that City are guilty. If City get off the hook this time the PL will look incompetent and weak and I don't see that as likely now.

The fact that it's an independent commission deciding on guilt and passing sentence would worry me as well if I was a city fan. It looks set up that way to reduce the possibility for City arguing in the High Court in the future that the only reason for the harshness of the sentence was to benefit rival clubs (who of course make up the PL).

My view is that titles being stripped is a very real possibility.
 


nickbrighton

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Feb 19, 2016
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is there anything in EFL rules that says that they would have to accept City if they are indeed thrown out of the PL? If its a points reduction to ensure relegation there are probably contractual obligations , but if they were expelled from the league, surley they would have to apply to join the EFL? or National League !
 


Greenbag50

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Jun 1, 2016
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The EPL have spent a huge sum of money, time and effort into this case.
I would find it incredible for them just to throw this all away and not produce a significant sanction which sends a big message to the rest of the league.
More pertinently, will send a big message to GVT on self regulation, in that we don’t need a regulator, we can do this internally.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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is there anything in EFL rules that says that they would have to accept City if they are indeed thrown out of the PL? If its a points reduction to ensure relegation there are probably contractual obligations , but if they were expelled from the league, surley they would have to apply to join the EFL? or National League !
I don't know that there is, but whenever something like this has happened before, in this country or elsewhere, there's not been the suggestion that the lower league won't take the club.

City being in their competition would be a massive financial and prestige boost to the EFL ... and definitely to the National League ...... Oh why can't this be happening to Palace?
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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Gloucester
is there anything in EFL rules that says that they would have to accept City if they are indeed thrown out of the PL? If its a points reduction to ensure relegation there are probably contractual obligations , but if they were expelled from the league, surley they would have to apply to join the EFL? or National League !
I'm sure it could be arranged - it was done in Scotland perfectly satisfactorily, so why would there be problems here? Besides, it would be very much in the EFL's interest to accept them - hugely increased interest in Leagues 2 and 1, and The Championship, probably in successive seasons, and a cash boost for the clubs wth the larger gates - the other clubs would have a sold-out stadium for every home match.
 


Nobby

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Sep 29, 2007
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Beam me back into this thread in 2035 please

Nothing, absolutely nothing will ultimately happen to City.
The Premier League allowed a despicable bunch to take over Newcastle, and will be fighting legally against one of the wealthiest nation states out there.

Nothing will ultimately happen here.

Comparisons to Rangers in the Monkey Tennis League are worthless unfortunately.

IMHO
 


Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
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Given the punishments handed out to the likes of Luton, Swindon and others I would hope that the at the very least a points deduction that guarantees relegation would be handed out. The shear number of offences should demand something stronger if they are found guilty, but a relegation (which they'd recover from quickly) is not even that strong a punishment.

I'd also hope that they do not stop with City but really get after any other miscreants in a similar fashion. These clubs make me sick, they already have the natural advantage of wealthy owners, large commercial income and broadcast rights etc yet they arrogantly assume that the game is all about them and they cheat the system (which is already rigged in their favour) for further advantage.
 






Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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Beam me back into this thread in 2035 please

Nothing, absolutely nothing will ultimately happen to City.
The Premier League allowed a despicable bunch to take over Newcastle, and will be fighting legally against one of the wealthiest nation states out there.

Nothing will ultimately happen here.

Comparisons to Rangers in the Monkey Tennis League are worthless unfortunately.

IMHO
I fear you're right.
 


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