[Politics] The Sun - nurses ?

[LamieRobertson]

Whilst I agree that this money would be better spent on doctors and nurses.

If there was a proven will to improve the NHS, maybe it would be better to say when. Then this role is important in terms of understanding where improvements can be made. The role could be described in better terms but surely what is being asked for is the investigation of people's experiences, to include those who are often not heard.

If this is coupled with a will to invest in the recommendations then it is a good idea. At present though I agree it is pissing more tax payers money to the wind.

I think we can agree that worrying about the windscreen wipers not working is low on the list when the car wont even start

 

[BadFish]

I think we can agree that worrying about the windscreen wipers not working is low on the list when the car wont even start

Yep and paying someone to tell you what's wrong with them with no intention of getting them fixed is a totally waste of time and money.

 

[GT49er]

Aye….huge reform ….DT have an article today about such…an example below

Midlands Partnership NHS Foundation Trust (MPFT) is recruiting a “director for lived experience” who must have experiences of “a life altering health condition” and “significant power imbalances” in their use of health services.

The tsar will “ensure brave spaces” for people to give feedback and be based at St George’s Hospital, in Stafford, on a salary of £110,000-115,000 per year – four times that of a newly qualified nurse or junior doctor.

They should also “seek out and heavily involve ‘seldom heard’, under-represented and/or disadvantaged groups” and be a “strategic bridge-builder”, a job advert says.

I think I’d prefer my money was spent on a nurse or doctor

I'd prefer my money was spent on three nurses!

 

[LamieRobertson]

When it comes to healthcare I wouldn’t believe anything the DT spins. I have read some stuff of theirs regarding the U.K. MHRA and drug applications, it was factually wrong on about 10 counts. Whether willfully or because the journo is plain thick I don’t know, but wrong it was.

Well thats your choice….but the advert exists and having spoken to various people who work in the NHS its just one of many.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Yep and paying someone to tell you what's wrong with them with no intention of getting them fixed is a totally waste of time and money.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well thats your choice….but the advert exists and having spoken to various people who work in the NHS its just one example.

Im not saying it doesn’t exist. More I’d rather see the original advert as opposed to a DT report of it. Do you have a link to the original ad?

 

[trueblue]

My older sister is a nurse and refused to strike because she cares very deeply for her patients.

My wife is a nurse and voted to strike because she also cares very deeply for her patients. She's disturbed to work in an environment where patient safety is increasingly compromised by a lack of available staff, which is becoming accepted as the norm.

She doesn't watch Loose Women. In fact, she barely watches anything because by the time she gets home about 7pm after being up since 6am and on her feet all day, she's usually struggling to keep her eyes open after dinner.

 

[Swansman]

Do you believe that, compared to its inception back in the day, the NHS is now a viable business model in the current format?

How might you improve or adapt it?

"Viable business model"

Putting out fires also isn't profitable - not a viable business model. Paying people in the military to spend 90% of their careers sitting on their butt waiting for nasty things isn't a viable business model. Road maintenance, same thing there.

Some services that are pretty much required in a functional society aren't "viable businesses". Sure, NHS could be very profitable for its owners.... especially if it does a shit job and keeps people sick and on expensive medications forever. But is that a sensible path?

 

[Bodian]

Im not saying it doesn’t exist. More I’d rather see the original advert as opposed to a DT report of it. Do you have a link to the original ad?

https://www.healthjobsuk.com/job/UK...S_Foundation_Trust/Director/Director-v4828381

 

[Zeberdi]

If we can muddle our way through the next 18 months, then this Tory rule will be over and the new administration can set out a costed plan to make everything right.

That’s if the British Press doesn’t take us all down in the meantime

With the shit being drip fed it may be politically sensitive but generally if people could ignore the Murdochs of the world, they would support a properly functioning NHS.

Perhaps, the NHS could even function better if they ignored ’the Murdochs of the world’!

The media (of all political persuasions and formats) needs to start taking some responsibility with how it represents health issues in the mainstream press imo - there is often a very thin line between accurate and responsible reporting or creating a ‘climate of fear’ - recent reporting of Strep A has come very close to, if not, has crossed that line.

This is what happens when the press creates a climate of fear over a common bacterial infection - ER rooms fill up with hyper-anxious parents clutching kids and abusing doctors and nurses because the over-crowding that the media-triggered parents are unnecessarily contributing to, is also meaning they themselves are waiting hours to be seen …People need to stop using Casualty when a pharmacy or on-call GP is adequate for their ‘emergency’.… and they certainly need to stop abusing the staff!

Medics ask frustrated A&E patients to show more understanding - as winter pressures hit

Currently, the Trust is hitting the under-four-hour wait target in just 65% of cases, below the national average of 69%.

news.sky.com

 

[GT49er]

Aye….huge reform ….DT have an article today about such…an example below

Midlands Partnership NHS Foundation Trust (MPFT) is recruiting a “director for lived experience” who must have experiences of “a life altering health condition” and “significant power imbalances” in their use of health services.

The tsar will “ensure brave spaces” for people to give feedback and be based at St George’s Hospital, in Stafford, on a salary of £110,000-115,000 per year – four times that of a newly qualified nurse or junior doctor.

They should also “seek out and heavily involve ‘seldom heard’, under-represented and/or disadvantaged groups” and be a “strategic bridge-builder”, a job advert says.

I think I’d prefer my money was spent on a nurse or doctor

Call me cynical (or call me anything else - I can imagine some sectors of NSC frothing with rage and coming up with all sorts of (basically inappropriate) names) but would I be right in assuming that the 'desirable attributes' for candidates to this post will not include 'white straight male'?
(Not that it will actually say that, of course)

 

[LamieRobertson]

Im not saying it doesn’t exist. More I’d rather see the original advert as opposed to a DT report of it. Do you have a link to the original ad?

I see someone has replied….i also believe Dazz posted a copy earlier

 

[dazzer6666]

Im not saying it doesn’t exist. More I’d rather see the original advert as opposed to a DT report of it. Do you have a link to the original ad?

#57

 

[jcdenton08]

When it comes to healthcare I wouldn’t believe anything the DT spins. I have read some stuff of theirs regarding the U.K. MHRA and drug applications, it was factually wrong on about 10 counts. Whether willfully or because the journo is plain thick I don’t know, but wrong it was.

The job itself has been linked to several times in the last few pages alone. I know it’s a bit embarrassing, but sadly it’s completely true.

 

[BadFish]

Call me cynical (or call me anything else - I can imagine some sectors of NSC frothing with rage and coming up with all sorts of (basically inappropriate) names) but would I be right in assuming that the 'desirable attributes' for candidates to this post will not include 'white straight male'?
(Not that it will actually say that, of course)

Usually there is merit and equity style protections for this type of job. You could apply for the job and then see who gets the job and see if your suspicions are correct and then use the freedom of information act to show that the incumbent got the job because they were not a straight white male. Then take them through the tribunal process to get it proven. This one will involve looking at legislation which maybe considered unnecessary, politically correct and woke.

Or

Stick with your totally baseless assumption and add it to your list of grievances about the modern woke world.

Or

Not make such daft assumptions in the first place.

The third one is the easiest and least frustrating.

 

[pocketseagull]

Call me cynical (or call me anything else - I can imagine some sectors of NSC frothing with rage and coming up with all sorts of (basically inappropriate) names) but would I be right in assuming that the 'desirable attributes' for candidates to this post will not include 'white straight male'?
(Not that it will actually say that, of course)

The job advert says:

Essential criteria​

• Experience of a life altering health condition, with significant use of secondary health services in which significant power imbalances have been experienced

Could apply to anyone but you're probably right that's less likely to be applicable to a straight white male demographic (and that's something you should probably be grateful for)

 

[jcdenton08]

Usually there is merit and equity style protections for this type of job. You could apply for the job and then see who gets the job and see if your suspicions are correct and then use the freedom of information act to show that the incumbent got the job because they were not a straight white male. Then take them through the tribunal process to get it proven. This one will involve looking at legislation which maybe considered unnecessary, politically correct and woke.

Or

Stick with your totally baseless assumption and add it to your list of grievances about the modern woke world.

Or

Not make such daft assumptions in the first place.

The third one is the easiest and least frustrating.

We all know that an ideal world, the best candidate for a job would get that job regardless of race, gender or any other criteria. We don’t live in an ideal world, and the wording of the job description is one I’ve read a thousand times before.

There are targets and quotas to meet and fulfil, and these are often met by giving minorities roles with “visibility”, somewhat cynically, for the optics, rather than qualification or experience.

 

[BadFish]

We all know that an ideal world, the best candidate for a job would get that job regardless of race, gender or any other criteria. We don’t live in an ideal world, and the wording of the job description is one I’ve read a thousand times before.

There are targets and quotas to meet and fulfil, and these are often met by giving minorities roles with “visibility”, somewhat cynically, for the optics, rather than qualification or experience.

I agree with that. In an ideal world the best person would get the job. I cont help but wonder though: is this job more likely to go to the best qualified person (the preferred outcome for everyone and one that is protected as best as we can by legislation) or is it likely to go to a non white straight male to fill a quota? I would ask if these are the kind of jobs used to full quotas - not in my experience. Or is it just as likely (or more likely) to go to a favourite employee, friend or acquaintance or family member of someone high up or on the panel.

It is sad that we haven't got the legislation quite right to stamp out this other stuff.

My point was more about getting angry and frustrated about something that the poster has no idea if it is happening. Or has happened. Surely we should wait for something to actually happen a d some evidence to come to light before assuming positive discrimination or nepotism?

P.S I would also add that your current government seems more likely to abolish any legislation that discourages the favouritism that we discuss that actually improve it. I am no expert but I wonder if your leaving the EU assisted in this area or left people with less protection.

 

[Triggaaar]

Where did I say that they don't care about patients?

Here:

My older sister is a nurse and refused to strike because she cares very deeply for her patients.

Your sister refused to strike because she cares for her patients - qed those that strike don't.

 

[GT49er]

If we can muddle our way through the next 18 months, then this Tory rule will be over and the new administration can set out a costed plan to make everything right.

I wouldn't count on it, sadly. Labour need to do more than they are at the moment.