[Politics] Liz Truss **RESIGNS 20/10/2022**

[rogersix]

er no, their economic policy is a mess. a decade of reliance on borrowing has predictably lead to high inflation. see also Labour policy and other major western nations. no one wants cuts, no one wants taxes either. something different needs to be done.

truss is doing something different and it's terrible

what would you like the tories to do now, so as you can vote for them in two tears?

 

[Bodian]

The Thursday night/Friday morning before Hereford, I sat up watching the election night coverage, I was 32 years old, two small kids, 40 grand mortgage, employed in a stable job, I looked at Tony Blair and thought I saw someone who could change mine and my families life for the better but equally as important also for the less fortunate in society.

But did he?

The policies of the Labour Party under Blair in relation to Public Services directly led to me getting a job in 1999. I still hold that job. From 2000/2001 we were able to increase staff gradually and eventually there were five of us. So, yes, he did change my life for the better - along with my then colleagues.

Since 2011, we have gradually had to whittle down staff, and we are back to where we were in 1997. Just one person (me at the moment) employed in my role / area of work. The backlog of work to be done is higher than it was in 1999 - and even if no new work arrived on my desk it would take me around 15-20 years to get through what I have to do.

 

[rogersix]

One would hope that it could not be worse, but as we have no idea what the opposition would do to fix things we cannot make an informed decision at the moment. Labour's national energy company idea shows promise but there are many questions around Ed Milliband's energy policy that will need resolving. Other than that, they have not said much other than windfall taxes.

tacticaly, it's always best to allow the fool to keep on talking

from the calling of the referendum to the present day, what could've gone worse?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

One would hope that it could not be worse, but as we have no idea what the opposition would do to fix things we cannot make an informed decision at the moment. Labour's national energy company idea shows promise but there are many questions around Ed Milliband's energy policy that will need resolving. Other than that, they have not said much other than windfall taxes.

It's about intentions as much as the details of the plan. I have a feeling that Starmer Labour want to steady the ship and help us pootle along, onwards and, hopefully, upwards. A bit of windfall tax to recalibrate a few things would be nice, too. Nothing flashy, nothing 'radical'.

By contrast, the Truss gang imagine they have a bold vision of how to transform society by imposing radical and disruptive change, in a shit-or- bust manner, with no plan B and to hell with the consequences, damn you eyes.

It isn't always like this. Labour certainly had a lurch towards madness under Corbyn but, ironically, he was so slow and cautious that his plans were nothing new and largely safe, while his chance to implement them was ruined mainly by his total uselessness as a politician (useful being someone who can win hearts and minds and persuade he has the ability to exercise the art of the possible, oh, and who can communicate that he understands what antisemitism is). And before 'call me Dave' the tories had lots of half decent people with dull but worthy ambitions at the helm. The little Yorkshire man, for example. But they could not persuade the country to abandon the best PM we have had for decades (Blair). Good times.

So, in the fight back against Blair, we now have a tory party committed to doing mad things to save their own skin (starting with Brexit, and ending with the current moron), with this working well for them for a while (Brexit) with labour sidelined (Corbyn), but now it is all change. I am confident that Starmer is dull, measured and well-intentioned. We could do with a few years of that. And hopefully the gobshites, the Tommy Robinsons, the Farrages, and the other lunatics, will slowly fade into oblivion.

But what about immigration? If anyone wants to reflect on how the tories have given us back 'control', particularly of 'our borders', over the last 12 years, just look up the data on illegal channel crossings. If labour had presided over this shitshow there would be gammon marches on the streets of every town, every weekend, and red face men with pitch forks standing on Seaford beach. Where are they all I wonder? One might be tempted to think they never cared about immigration in the first place, and merely wanted a perpetual tory government

 

[rogersix]

Excuse me, but where in the Brexit referendum was it stipulated that we should have the worst (and hopefuly shortest term serving) Prime Minister in history and a mad Chancellor whose only thought was to cut taxes, regardless of the fact that Covid had cost the country countless £billions, the fuel crisis due to the Ukraine war costing more £billions, the NHS running out of money, social care already run out of money, the police unable to afford officers on the beat or to properly investigate most burglaries and public transport cuts left right and centre because they can't afford to run them?
A mad Chancellor whose answer to all that was to cut taxes. And where was he going to find the money? Oh, err, well we'll borrow it! Insanity - and nothing to do with Brexit. Nor was it anywhere in the Brexit manifesto, not even the small print.
We all knew that with Brexit there would be some financial bumps in the road - and the Johnson government, for all the personal faults of it's leader, with Sunak in charge of the economy was doing a decent job of dealing with them. Blind hatred of Brexit clouded many people's view, but in many ways Sunak was the most socialist (and the best) Chancellor we've had in decades.
The red wedge that switched sides to protect Brexit didn't vote for tax cuts, especially tax cuts for the rich, any more than a vote for Brexit was a vote for Covid or a vote for a war in Ukraine - or for that matter a vote for Potter jumping ship and joining Chelsea.

the only qualification all of these incompetent fools have is, they're all brexit zealots, that IS the problem

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That’s a really good question Watford, I’m pleased that’s whilst Harty Junior puts his efforts into funeral directing and supporting the Albion, Amy has been politically active, card carrying Labour member, since the age of 16.

Clearly our political views differ and it makes for many a heated debate, she’s passionate about what she thinks Starmer and Rayner can do for this country, but haven’t we been here before?

The Thursday night/Friday morning before Hereford, I sat up watching the election night coverage, I was 32 years old, two small kids, 40 grand mortgage, employed in a stable job, I looked at Tony Blair and thought I saw someone who could change mine and my families life for the better but equally as important also for the less fortunate in society.

But did he?

25 years on, he feathered his own nest and that of his family and cronies, he’s arguably caused the needless deaths of young servicemen and servicewomen in an alleged illegal war.

”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” ? So in answer to your question I actually don’t know the answer but Amy clearly thinks she does.

Yes, mate. Yes, he did.

And I have no problem with him earning a crust. There is no suggestion that he did that illegally. Unlike all the graft and corruption with the Covid contracts under Johnson. As an example of a man who assiduously fails to earn a crust, step forward Jezza Corbyn. Virtuous? No - a twat.

No, Blair was transformative. But, just as some think that Brentford won last night by diving and cheating, I accept that people will have different opinions.

All the best

 

[rogersix]

Agreed. I thought he came across well, and made the right noises, including actually answering all the questions put to him, and detailing the mistakes that Kwarteng had made.

But he also gave us a glimpse into the future. We can expect tough decisions, some tax rises, some tax cuts not as large as people had hoped, efficiency savings across all govt departments, no guarantee that benefits will rise with inflation, no guarantee of keeping to the pledge of defence spending to rise to 3% of GDP. And he's only been in office a few hours. This gives us a sense of the scale of what is coming.

I can't believe he was Truss's choice. I think she's been bypassed. Circumvented. Andrew Marr says she's gone next week.

assuming that that is the case, who are the powers that be, that installed hunt?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

R4 Miriam Margolyes speaks for the country (look it up) and I doubt she'll be invited back on.

 

[KZNSeagull]

tacticaly, it's always best to allow the fool to keep on talking

from the calling of the referendum to the present day, what could've gone worse?

Certainly keeping quiet and letting the Tories hang themselves has worked very well but Labour are now on an election footing apparently, so we should start hearing what they are going to do. Both Ashworth and Thornberry failed to answer yesterday when asked, which is fine for now, but they are going to have to start talking soon.
I don't dwell on the past as it cannot be changed and constantly banging on about it solves nothing and bores me I'm afraid. I am interested in solutions.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

assuming that that is the case, who are the powers that be, that installed hunt?

The 1922 committee call all the shots. But they are very sensible and only shoot when someone has to be killed.

I am an oddball perhaps in that I am not hung up on party democracy. I think a party should run its affairs any way it likes, in order to maximise its position. And the judgement of the party can be evaluated by the electorate at the ballot box.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Certainly keeping quiet and letting the Tories hang themselves has worked very well but Labour are now on an election footing apparently, so we should start hearing what they are going to do. Both Ashworth and Thornberry failed to answer yesterday when asked, which is fine for now, but they are going to have to start talking soon.
I don't dwell on the past as it cannot be changed and constantly banging on about it solves nothing and bores me I'm afraid. I am interested in solutions.

Labour have every right to keep their powder dry.

If you don't like that, and can't wait for the manifesto reveal, then by all means make a commitment to vote conservative. Plenty will

 

[Bodian]

Certainly keeping quiet and letting the Tories hang themselves has worked very well but Labour are now on an election footing apparently, so we should start hearing what they are going to do. Both Ashworth and Thornberry failed to answer yesterday when asked, which is fine for now, but they are going to have to start talking soon.
I don't dwell on the past as it cannot be changed and constantly banging on about it solves nothing and bores me I'm afraid. I am interested in solutions.

Anything they put forward now that looks at all popular will just be nicked by the Tories and resold as a Conservative policy. I suspect we won't hear much of Labour's plans till much nearer the election.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Who can blame him?

Well if he hadn't stood against his brother then possibly the whole sh*t shower would not have happened. The argument against his brother was that he was too Tory , might be the case but he was electable same argument was put against Starmer as well but Corbyn was never going to be elected.

 

[Eric the meek]

assuming that that is the case, who are the powers that be, that installed hunt?

This isn't over.

Hunt backed Sunak in the leadership race. As Chris Mason says, he now holds 'a massive job in the Truss administration, which didn't exactly initially go out of its way to hire those who'd backed her opponent'. I read this as she had to take Hunt. Probably through gritted teeth. Just my opinion.

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[Westdene Seagull]

Then I would respectfully suggest that when they voted for a Johnson led Government they didn't understand what they were voting for

And Covid hasn't cost 'countless billions'. The OBR says it has cost 2% of GDP, half the 4% cost of Brexit.

We'll ignore the £70bn cost of furlough then ? Or the billions spent on PPE ?

 

[rogersix]

Certainly keeping quiet and letting the Tories hang themselves has worked very well but Labour are now on an election footing apparently, so we should start hearing what they are going to do. Both Ashworth and Thornberry failed to answer yesterday when asked, which is fine for now, but they are going to have to start talking soon.
I don't dwell on the past as it cannot be changed and constantly banging on about it solves nothing and bores me I'm afraid. I am interested in solutions.

they have to wait for someone, anyone to call a date

if we can understand, precisely where we have gone wrong, the solutions will leap out at us

as it stands, the only realistic option the nation now has is, starmer

 

[WATFORD zero]

We'll ignore the £70bn cost of furlough then ? Or the billions spent on PPE ?

Nobody is ignoring anything, they are part of the figures that make up the 2% of GDP

Although the OBR have now been told to ignore the cost of Brexit, stop reporting it and only report (some more cynical than myself might say 'hide') all figures within the normal overall Government department figures.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Labour have every right to keep their powder dry.

If you don't like that, and can't wait for the manifesto reveal, then by all means make a commitment to vote conservative. Plenty will

They do but they are going to look very stupid if they constantly refuse to answer questions, rather like Truss. I currently have no idea who I am going to vote for next as I do not know who will be standing in my constituency - if it is the Corbyn lover that stood last time then there is no way I will vote for them.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Anything they put forward now that looks at all popular will just be nicked by the Tories and resold as a Conservative policy. I suspect we won't hear much of Labour's plans till much nearer the election.

I would have thought that would be a good thing actually.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Labour have every right to keep their powder dry.

If you don't like that, and can't wait for the manifesto reveal, then by all means make a commitment to vote conservative. Plenty will

I have a funny feeling some already have